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Beijing time January 23, 2002 (Wednesday) 9: 30-11: 30
Guest: Martin Fowler. Martin Fowler is an object-oriented analytical design, UML, mode, software development methodology, XP, reconstruction ..., is an expert in the world, and is now the chief scientist of Thoughtworks. Martin Fowler the classic book 4: Analysis Patterns: Reusable Object ModelsUML Distilled: Applying the Standard Object Modeling LanguageRefactoring: Improving the Design of Existing CodePlanning Extreme Programming
Communication focus: object-oriented analysis design, UML, mode, software development methodology, XP, reconstruction ...
Moderator: gigix
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Fowler enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:20) Umlchina said to everyone: Welcome (2002/01/23 09:20) NetRouter said to everyone: Hello (2002/01/23 09:20) Gigix to Fowler Say: Hello! Mr. Fowler (2002/01/23 09:20) Fowler said to everyone: Glad to beere (2002/01/23 09:20) Shenqw enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:20 GIGIX said to Fowler: Mr. Fowler, please use red. (2002/01/23 09:20) Extreme said: Hi, Mr. Fowler. (2002/01/23 09:21) Fowler said to everyone: THISMART enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:21) Gigix said to Fowler: Thanks! (2002/01/23 09:21) Vickyday enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:21) Extreme said: OK, OK, (2002/01/23 09:21) Gigix said to FOWLER: MR. FOWLER, Do You Know ANY Automatic Test Framework IN C ? (2002 / 01/23 09:22) Fowler said to everyone: One of my colleagues, (2002/01/23 09:22) Sky-Walker enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:22) Fowler said to everyone: Bill Caputo Put Together (2002/01/23 09:22) DBA_Oracle enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:22) Gigix said to everyone: And there's a product? (2002/01/23 09:23) Tomsmart enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:23) SZBLUE enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:23) Serenaday entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:23) Fowler said to everyone: Sorry you missed Something There: Bill Put Together An Article On My Web Site (2002/01/23 09:23) Gigix said to Fowler: a friend of Mine Refactoies without test framework, how do you think About this? (2002/01/23 09:23) Fowler is everyone Say: IT is Very Unwise to Refactor WITHOUT TESTS (2002/01/23 09:24) Zhangxf enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:24) Gigix said to everyone: Everybody, Your Questions ?! (2002/01 / 23 09:24) Xuzhoush enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:24) Extreme said to everyone: Mr. Fowler, Could you please tell US Anything About How Write TELITE FAMOUS BOOK, REFAACTORING? (2002/01 / 23 09:24) XUEGY said to Fowler: How To Express A Array Type in Attribute of a Class (2002/01/23 09:24) Fowler said to everyone: btw the caputo article is at http://martinfowler.com /articles/ciwithcom.html (2002/01/23 09:24) NetRouter said to everyone: IT '
s Begin? (2002/01/23 09:25) CHARITY_Zhou entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:25) HARD64 entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:25) Cyberp2p enters the chat room. (2002 / 01/23 09:25) Netpit enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:25) IQ777 enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:25) TIMWAP_CN enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09 : 25) YINHJ entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:25) Tomsmart said to everyone: Hi Fowler, When Should We make a program to Refractor (2002/01/23 09:26) Gigix said to Fowler: How TO Express A Array Type in at attribute of a class in rose (2002/01/23 09:26) Fowler said to everyone: i Did The Refactoring Book When I realized That Those Who Knew More Were Busy Weth Other Things (2002/01 / 23 09:26) Xuegy said to FOWLER: How to Express A Array Type Attribute in A Class (2002/01/23 09:26) UMLCHINA said to everyone: ask questions with grassland blue (2002/01/23 09:26 Fowler said to everyone: You SHOULD REFACTOR WHEN Are Adding a feature or fixing a bug and the software maps it hard for you to do what (2002/01/23 09:27) FERICA enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:27) Jones_Bian entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:27) Netrouter said to everyone: Mr. Fowler I'm A New GUI, PLS SUGGEST SOME BOOKS to ME, OK? (2002/01/23 09 : 27) CHARITY_Zhou said to everyone: Some Trouble About Map Objects to Relationship DBMS (2002/01/23 09:27) Extreme said to everyone: How Many Years After Being a program of Refectoringl? (2002/01/23 09:27) Fowler's Xuegy said: I don't understand the array type question - I don't use rose (2002/01/23 09:27) Cber enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:28) Tomsmart said to Fowler: Have Ever read this Book 'Code Complete'. i ie ip. I Found It is Very Useful Though It Was Published in 1993 (2002/01/23 09:28) FERICA enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:28) Ferica enters Chat room. (2002/01/23 09:28) Extreme said to everyone: So what uml do Tools you use? (2002/01/23 09:28) Charity_zhou said to everyone: One class one table, it '
SSTONE Enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:28) Vickyday left the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:29 Fowler said to Charity_Zhou: For Information About mapping objects to databases: look at http://martinfowler.com/isa/index.html (2002/01/23 09:29) CHARITY_ZHOU said to Fowler: Yes, i Have Read There (2002/01/23 09:29) Fowler said to EXTREME: I Started Programming in The Early 80's, I First Came Across Refactoring Around 1995 (2002/01/23 09:29) LJ25 Enters the chat room. (2002/01 / 23 09:29) extreme told us: how many years after being a programmer did you realize the importance of refectoringl (2002/01/23 09:30) Charity_Zhou said fowler:? but it's really difficult to choose which mode should be Used to map (2002/01/23 09:30) Fowler said to Tomsmart said: Code Complete is an Excellent Book (2002/01/23 09:30) R_L906 Enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:30) xiaoweiking Enter the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:30) Fowler said to EXTREME: Most of My UML Diagrams Are Done in Visio, Using Hruby's Template (2002/01/23 09:30) Tomsmart said to gigix: How Can I Found IT ?? Help! (2002/01/23 09:30) Brian f AN enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:31) Gigix said to Fowler: Writing a Test Framework IN C And in Java, Which One is more difficult? (2002/01/23 09:31) Serenaday said to everyone : Which Team Model Do You Think is The Best (2002/01/23 09:31) Extreme said to everyone: why don't you use rose? Isn't it a so-caled number one uml Tool? (2002/01 / 23 09:31) Tomsmart enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:31) Fowler said to gigix: i Find Any Programming Easier in Java Than C . I Haven't Worked In C for Quite a while now 2002/01/23 09:31) Cyberp2p said to everyone: Maybe All of US Know The Important of The Se, But When We do in Practice, Many Team '
Si CHAOS, How Can We settle it? (2002/01/23 09:32) Fowler said: What do you mean by Team model? (2002/01/23 09:32) Simonc enters the chat room. (2002 / 01/23 09:32) TIMWAP_CN said to everyone: Hi, Fowler. Is IT ITTERN? (2002/01/23 09:32) Cyberp2p said to everyone: Maybe All of US Know the importantan Jerryagain enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:32) Jerryagain enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:32) Fowler said to EXTREME : Rose is expensive, and does not do what I like. So I don't use it much. (2002/01/23 09:32) UMLCHINA enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:33) CTM enters chat Room. (2002/01/23 09:33) Gigix said to Fowler: I'm Writing a Test Framework IN C . Can you tell me: What is the most 09:33) FOWLER Speaking of Cyberp2p: You Have To Add What Discipline You CAN, Little By Little (2002/01/23 09:33) Britain enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:33) Choupixiong Enters the chat room. (2002/01 / 23 09:33) Serenaday said to Fowler: I Mean How to Build A Team (2002/01/23 09:33) Extreme said to everyone: SO, What is the MOPULAR UML IN THE STATES? (2002/01 / twenty three 09:33) PBI enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:33) Fowler said to Timwap_CN: It's important to know about patterns, but you don't use the the the Time. (2002/01/23 09: 34) Simoncn said to everyone: Hi Martin, I Find IT IS Hard to Apply Pair Programming in The Real Situation. (2002/01/23 09:34) CHARITY_ZHOU said to Fowler: It's different to keep the inheritance tree in a proper depth (2002/01/23 09:34) Senaday said to FOWLER: And how do you think About Clearcase? (2002/01/23 09:34) Zhangxf said to EXTREME: WITHOUT TALKING About The Ridiculous Cost of Rose, Together J IS Still Bettetr Than Rose, at Lease for Java Design and Programming (2002/01/23 09:34) Fowler's Serenaday: Team Building Is A Big Topic. There '
Invoice into the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:35) IQ777 said to Fowler: How do you abstract Knowledge Architecture? (2002/01/23 09:35) Panjet enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:35) Extreme said to everyone: Thanks for your info, Zhangxf (2002/01/23 09:35) Fowler Speaking of EXTREME: I don't know what the MOPULAR UML TOOL IS. I'm Not real interested in the answer; -) (2002/01/23 09:35) FOWLER Say: i Also Want To How To Do A Team Building, Tell US More (2002/01/23 09:35) Chtweb Enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:35) Timwap_CN said to Fowler: What is reason? (2002/01/23 09:35) ZHANGXF said to everyone: Agree with Simoncn. I Found It difficult Too. Only in Very Cases It Works Smoothly (2002/01/23 09:35) Fowler said to Simoncn: You NEED To Find People WHO Are Willing to Give It A Decent Try (2002/01/23 09:35) Jeffleo enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:36) Simoncn said to everyone: The Real trouble is to project management. (2002/01/23 09:36) Simoncn said to everyone: You will find it is hard to track the Cost (2002/01/23 09:36) Fowler said to Charity_zhou: Programming is Difficult, OtherWise It Wouldn't Be So Much Fun! (2002/01/23 09:36) SEA77 Enters the chat room. (2002/01 / 23 09:36) Jeffleo entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:36) FERICA entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:36) Geneyuan enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:36) Serenaday said to FOWLER: Our Team Is Small, We Only now Have 4 people; COULD you please give us some advise? (2002/01/23 09:36) Zhangxf said: You R Welcome, Extreme (2002/01 / 23 09:36) Linden_xu enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:37) Fowler said: i Haven't Used Clear Case. I'm Told It's Powerful But Complicated (2002/01/23 09:37 TIMWAP_CN said to FOWLER: AND is there Some Useful Web Resource for SW Architecture? (2002/01/23 09:37) Gigix said to Fowler: Mr. Fowler, I'm Writing A Test Framework IN C
. Would you please tell me: What is the most morportant thing? (2002/01/23 09:37) Simoncn said to everyone: Clearcase Is a power Toy, But Learning Curve IS Also High ... (2002/01/23 09:37) Fowler says to IQ777: What do you mean by Knowledge Architecture? (2002/01/23 09:37) CHARITY_ZHOU SUGGESTS On How to Choose A Map Strategy? (2002/01 / 23 09:37) Extreme said to everyone: WE NEED A Good Balance Between Complexity and SIMPLITY, Buth How? (2002/01/23 09:37) Serenaday said: Yes, I am Trying to use cleancase, But it's Hard for me (2002/01/23 09:37) Zhangxf Speaks to Extreme: Do you think below the Pair Programmorage, in Terms of Experience, Domain Knowledge and etc. (2002/01/23 09 : 38) IQ777 said to FOWLER: Like UML, IDEF5 ETC. (2002/01/23 09:38) Fowler to Timwap_CN: Patterns Are A Way of Describing Architecture (2002/01/23 09:38) Simoncn said to everyone : Design Pattern is Into Too Lower Detail (2002/01/23 09:38) zhangxf to Fowler: Do you think the combinition of the program of the Program in Curcial In The PAIR PROGRA Mmin, in Terms of Experience, Domain Knowledge and ETC (2002/01/23 09:38) Simoncn said to everyone: Anaylysis Pattern is Higher (2002/01/23 09:38) BJ_Zhangyong enters the chat room. (2002/01 / 23 09:39) Fowler said to Simoncn: i don't find the costs of pair programming so much of an ossu, When People Realize That The Hard Part of Programming isn't The Typing. (2002/01/23 09:39 Simoncn said to everyone: But I think IBM HAS DONE A Good Job in Promoting Ebiz Architecture Pattern (2002/01/23 09:39) Fowler Speaking on Simoncn: People Need To trys for the THEMMING To See if IT Works for Them (2002 / 01/23 09:39) Extreme said to everyone: I '
Ve Never Tried Pair Programming Before, ZHANGXF (2002/01/23 09:39) Wenytang enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:39) Fowler said: What Kind of Advice Do You NEED? A Team of Four IS A Good Size (2002/01/23 09:39) Tomsmart enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:39) Choupixiong said to Fowler: Hi, MR. Fowler, I am Learning UML, But I Have No Chance To apply it and what can I do now? (2002/01/23 09:39) Serenaday said to everyone: Do you Simoncn Really Think Clearcase Is A Toy ?? (2002/01/23 09:40) YF611X Enters the chat room (2002/01/23 09:40) Extreme said to everyone: What do you think About rup? Too Complex? (2002/01/23 09:40) Supergaosong enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:40 CHTWeb said to FOWLER: I am A Beginner, How To Begin? (2002/01/23 09:40) FOWLER to Timwap_CN: I Haven't Found Much Web Stuff On SW Architecture, of Course There IS Mine - But That's Just for Information Systems (2002/01/23 09:40) TENSILE enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:41) BJ_Zhangyong enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:41) Choupixiong said to EXTREME: Agree Extreme, The Rup Is So Complex (2002/01/23 09:41) Charity_zhou said to FOWLER: According to XP, Custom IS A Very Importan T role. if we do not really have this role, how to "build" a proxy? (2002/01/23 09:41) bj_zhangyong enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:41) Fowler said to gigix: Are you Writing a Test Framework Or Some Tests for An Application? (2002/01/23 09:41) Tomsmart said to Fowler: WHEN WE HAVE A BIG PROJECT, SHOULD WE FOCUS MORE ON Design Other Than Programming? (2002/01 / 23 09:41) Ferica enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:41) Sliuhao entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:41) JXYCLBL enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:41) Lang_han enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:41) Cyberp2p enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:41) Cyberp2p said to Fowler: But when TEAM's Member '
S Number Is Three, Do U Think That Some Problem Will Be Found? (2002/01/23 09:41) BJ_Zhangyong enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:41) Fowler said to Charity_zhou: What do you mean by Map Strategy (2002/01/23 09:41) Candy_LIN enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:41) Charity_zhou said to Fowler: And how can we make Sure The Proxy Can Work Correctly? (2002/01/23 09:41) Simoncn said to everyone: http://www 106.ibm.com/developerWorks/patterns/index.html IS A Good Site About Architecture Patterns (2002/01/23 09:41) BJ_Zhangyong enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:41) CHARITY_Zhou said to FOWLER: Map Objects to Tables (2002/01/23 09:41) Gigix said to FOWLER: I'm Writing a test framework named "CUnit". It's very like junit BUT IN C . (2002/01/23 09:42) Lang_han entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:42) Simoncn said to everyone: Object-er mapping (2002/01/23 09:42) RAINLILAC Enter the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:42) BJ_Zhangyong enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:42) Fowler said to zhangxf: Various Pair Combinations Work. Between the, need, to know What's needed for the task (2002/01/23 09:42) Serenaday said to FOWLER: I Want Some Advise On How To Build A Team of Four So Tha Twe Can Work More Efficently (2002/01/23 09:42) Gigix said to FOWLER: Can you give me some advice? (2002/01/23 09:42) Fowler to zhangxf: Pairing TWO Junior People Together Cause Difficulties (2002/01/23 09:42) Tensile said: Hi. (2002/01/23 09:43) Simoncn said to everyone: Fowler, Do you have specific Comments on the existing technologis in or mapping? (2002 / 01/23 09:43) Simoncn said to everyone: Like, Odms Future (2002/01/23 09:43) Xuxu1976 Enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:43) Zhangxf said to Fowler: Exactly, That's What i found too. so isn '
? T the combition and timing are very critical to the success of pair programming (2002/01/23 09:43) fowler said choupixiong: Just try drawing UML diagrams on your own problems See if it helps you to visualize the software (. 2002/01/23 09:44) TIMWAP_CN said to FOWLER: Can UML Concept be used to duePT INOFRMATION SYSTEM? (2002/01/23 09:44) ZHANGXF: Simoncn, DID U USE TOPLINK OR COCOBASE BE? (2002/01/23 09:44) FOWLER Speaking against Charity_zhou: I Think Rup in General Is Too Complex. It's Biggest Problem Is That Tries To Be Everything (2002/01/23 09:44) Simoncn said to everyone: I Have Evaluated Bunches of or Tools (2002/01/23 09:44) Simoncn said to everyone: The Real Issue IS THE BIG SEMANTIC DIFCERENCE BETWEEN Object Model and Er Model (2002/01/23 09:45) Simoncn said to everyone: Er model is based on set. (2002/01/23 09:45) Simoncn said to everyone: SO ODBMS IS Out There to Narrow The GAP (2002/01/23 09:45) Fowler Speaking against Charity_zhou: Finding a Customer Is Important, But I don't have any canned advice for it (2002/01/23 09:45) szblue enters Chat room. (2002/01/23 09:45) Zhangxf said to everyone: But some part of rup is real version: Fowler said to Tomsmart said: I think of design and programming as the same. (2002/01/23 09:46) achang_hu enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:46) Deborah.d enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09: 46) Brian Fan said to Fowler: Hello, Mr. Fowler, I Have A stupid que Stion. ' Improvement, You Can Get IT from Rational Website. "Principels of Process Improvement", NOT BAD. (2002/01/23 09:47) Fowler said to gigix: When You port junit to another language, IT '
s important to follow the idioms of your language rather than copy the Java design (2002/01/23 09:47) brian fan said to the fowler: My question is, are oo methodologies able to be applied with non-oo programming language I? AM A CODER of Midrange. (2002/01/23 09:47) Zhangxf Speaking on Simoncn: Right, There Is Always Impedance Mismatch In O / R Mapping, But Some Tools Are Desgined To Address That (2002/01/23 09: 47) DJHDU enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:47) Fowler said to Simoncn: I'VE Had Good Experiences with Odbms, But They Never Really Caught ON: - ((2002/01/23 09:47) Candy_lin left the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:48) Linden_xu enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:48) Simoncn said to everyone: Yeah, That's the biggest problem of odbms, They hardly scale to rdbms Level (2002/01/23 09:48) Britain said to everyone: Can you tell me how can I get it? (2002/01/23 09:48) Simoncn said to everyone: In Most Cases, I Just Rely on Them TO BE IN-MEMORY-CACHING (2002/01/23 09:48) Fowler says: Sadly i don't have time for email these days. Other Writing Done! (2002/01/23 09 : 48) Supergaosong to FOWL ER said: How Would Get from XP? I means, is it can be replace by anything else? (2002/01/23 09:49) Zhangxf said to everyone: OOPS, I Think The size of this discussion is out of control. The Server Is Extreme Slow Now (2002/01/23 09:49) Simoncn said to everyone: Fowler, I do need your insights about refactoring importance / when to do in a real tuff project (2002/01/23 09:49) Tomsmart said to Fowler: of Course, WHEN WHEN WETSLATE A Design To Programming, We say the the the. but why did you tell me That the is is it? (2002/01/23 09:49) TIMWAP_CN To everyone: www.therationaledge.com (2002/01/23 09:49) Fowler said to Brian Fan: Yes You Can do Oo Design in a non-io language, but it's much harder. These deys there '
S NO POINT. (2002/01/23 09:49) Viery Enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:50) Simoncn said to everyone: Design in in't Find your Language Supports IT 2002/01/23 09:50) SIMONCN said to everyone: IT IS Not Good for the Project Implementation (2002/01/23 09:50) Sandy 20020111 Entering the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:50) Fowler to Simoncn Said: The key think about refactoring is to do a little every day. If the isy Tools for Your Language, They Help A Lot. (2002/01/23 09:51) Zhangxf said to everyone: What about XML Database? Which IS Amlost Similar To OODB AND I SAW SOME Really Scalable XML Databases (2002/01/23 09:51) Deborah.d to everyone: How can I TRACE THE RELASE MODEL AND USE CASE MODEL? (2002/01 / 23 09:51) Britain said to everyone: How can I get it? (2002/01/23 09:51) Serenaday enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:51) Serenaday said to Fowler: What Tools of Version Control do you think is better to use? (2002/01/23 09:51) Fowler said: WHENEVER You Program You are Making Design Decisions. As you have design ideas, you need to try them out by Programming (2002 / 01/23 0 9:51) ZHANGXF said to Fowler: What About DURING CODE REVIEW. SHOULD WE Do Refactoring During Review Too? (2002/01/23 09:51) Timwap_CN Say to Fowler: Is IT Right That Before The Project, i Always Want To Get A Good Desgin Structure? (2002/01/23 09:52) Britain said to everyone: Timwap_CN, I can't speak to you (2002/01/23 09:52) Umlchina said to everyone: Question: Grassland Blue (2002/01/23 09:52) Fowler said to zhangxf: XML Databases Are An Interesting Idea. They May Be a Good Direction for Many Problems. We will have to see. (2002/01/23 09:52) zhangxf To the Fowler: OK (2002/01/23 09:52) Cyberp2p enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:52) Cyberp2p said to Fowler: COULD U TELL US UR THOUGHT OF USING SCM? (2002/01 / 23 09:52) GHOST_LJ entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:53) Fowler said to Deborah.d: don't worry about detailed traces, they arren '
T Worth The Trouble. (2002/01/23 09:53) Fowler said to Deborah.d: i suggest cockburn's book on Use Cases (2002/01/23 09:53) Simoncn said to everyone: XML Database, Some Are IMplented Base On Rdbms, Publish XML Access API (2002/01/23 09:53) TIMWAP_CN said to FOWLER: But Some Time, I DID NOT KNOW TO Acheive? After Working, i Found The Process of Project Is Not Reasonable. (2002 / 01/23 09:53) Fowler said: I don't have any particular views on version control Tools (2002/01/23 09:53) Simoncn said to everyone: The Tech of XML DBMS IS Not Revolutionary (2002 / 01/23 09:53) Simoncn said to everyone: Unlike Odbms vs Rdbms (2002/01/23 09:54) zhangxf said to Fowler: What about business use cases. ANY BOOK to Recommend? (2002/01/23 09: 54) Fowler says: But Subversion Looks Like It Will Be Appealing (2002/01/23 09:54) Fowler To zhangxf: Refactoring During code Review Can Work Very Well. (2002/01/23 09:54) Whitehare Enter the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:54) Simoncn said to everyone: Like Fowler, I am Busy in Some Writing these Days (2002/01/23 09:54) ZHANGXF SiMoncn said: Thase Are Not Native XMLDB LIK e Orcale, XMLDB IS Just An Interface To Rdms. But There Really Some True XMLDBS (2002/01/23 09:55) Xrjiang Enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:55) Simoncn said to everyone: So Really Restrict myself to answer email (2002/01/23 09:55) Noty enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:55) Supergaosong left the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:55) Simoncn said to everyone : Sorry (2002/01/23 09:55) FOWLER says to Timwap_CN: You Should Sketch Out A Design Before Programming, But Don't be AfRAID to Change It As You Learn (2002/01/23 09:55) Extreme pair Fowler says: Mr. Fowler, Have you eat you have get a good plan, and end $ with mess? What is your advice to overcome it? (2002/01/23 09:55) Fowler ZHANGXF said: cockburn '
Simoncn: What do you think of crc card? (2002/01/23 09:56) Fowler said to EXTREME: THE MOST Important Thing About Planning IS To Keep Revaluating and Updating The Plan (2002/01/23 09:56) Fowler Speaking: a Plan Should Never Be a fixed Thing (2002/01/23 09:56) ZHANGXF said to FOWLER: TiMwap_CN said to FOWLER: I Have Done It Before programming .how to keep TRACE CHE? (2002/01/23 09:56) Fowler said to EXTREME: a Plan Is Best AS A Platform to UnderStand The Consequences of change (2002/01/23 09:56) Simoncn said to everyone: I think IT Sometimes Lead to Think in Procedure Design ... (2002/01/23 09:56) Supergaosong enters the chat room (2002/01/23 09:57) SIMONCN said to everyone: And Don't Find Any Good Tool Support The Association (2002/01/23 09:57) Fowler said to Simoncn: CRC Cards Are A Good Technique for Exploring Object Interactions (2002/01/23 09:57) Babysloth entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:57) Charity_zhou said to Simoncn: i agree with your viewpoint Someway (2002/01/23 09:57) Fowler TIMWAP_CN said: don't try to t Race Paper Designs to Code. It's NOT Worth The Effort (2002/01/23 09:58) Unimap enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:58) Szblue left the chat room. (2002/01/23 09: 58) Majordomo entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:59) Xuxu1976 said to everyone: Mr. Fowler, How do you think About "Component"? (2002/01/23 09:59) Ferica enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:59) FOWLER Say: MS.NET IS Good Technology. IT and Java Are The Main Contension in The Future (2002/01/23 09:59) Gigix said to Fowler: Mr. Fowler Do You Think That Design Patternalns Still Valuable? Do They Courage Over-Design? (2002/01/23 09:59) ZHANGXF Say: What do u mean by don '
T TRACE PAPER DESIGN TO CODE? IN TERMS of Und? How About Update The Design and Revise The Design and Reflect That on the code? (2002/01/23 09:59) Fowler to ghost_lj: But some of the open Source Scripting Tools Are Good TOO (EG Python and Ruby) (2002/01/23 09:59) Viery enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 09:59) Simoncn said to everyone: Don't forget TCL, My 0.02 (2002/01/23 10:00) Fowler's Xuxu1976 said: Components Are Useful But Difficult to Design Well, Especially For Business Software (2002/01/23 10:00) Rantaiqi enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10 : 00) Fowler says: Design Patterns Are Definitely Good. You Can Over User, But in Time You Learn To Apply Them Well. (2002/01/23 10:00) Viery said: The theory of refactoring is not Complete Now, SO IT Needs More Personal Experience.can You Give Me An Advice About IT? (2002/01/23 10:01) Johnbean enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:01) Serenaday enters the chat room. 2002/01/23 10:01) Xuxu1976 said to everyone: Mr. Fowler, YA, WHERE CAN WE FIND THE DESIGN PRINCIPLE OF Component? And what's the ful p company? (2002/01/23 10:01) Simoncn to everyone Say: . I think the biggest obstacle I have found so far in using Framework is it is much easier to extend rather than trim functions to meet your specific requirements (2002/01/23 10:01) fowler said zhangxf: The code should communicate itself Clearly. You Should Only Need Brief Additional Documents. (2002/01/23 10:01) FL_XYG Enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:01) Serenada enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:01) Xuxu1976 said to everyone: Simoncn, Framework is The MOST USEFUL Reuse Method in oo? (2002/01/23 10:02) Fowler said to Viery: DON '
Twait for more theory of refactoring. Try sale. (2002/01/23 10:02) Simoncn said to everyone: SO USING FRAMEWORK TO FULFIL SMALL Business Cases Really IncUR A LOT OF OVERHEAD ... (2002/01 / 23:02) Johnbean enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:02) Timwap_CN said to FOWLER: What is your IDEA About Document? Is IDEA About Document? Is IT Nessary to Record All Activities? (2002/01/23 10:02) Simoncn said to everyone: framework is a group of reusable components (2002/01/23 10:02) Serenaday said to everyone: How do you think about the new product of microsoft ..net (2002/01/23 10:02) Yizhonghua enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:02) Xu_zh_h entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:02) Simoncn said to everyone: But framework only defines Extension Points (2002/01/23 10:02 ZHANGXF said to FOWLER: That's the part there 1 I don't agree with xp. (2002/01/23 10:03) Simoncn said to everyone: They area Hard to Trim to Fit A Small Requirements (2002/01/23 10 : 03) Fowler says: Only Docuememnt When It's Worth THE COST Both to Write and To Update (2002/01/23 10:03) Simoncn said to everyone: There is no design principle on this issue. (2002/01 / 23 10:03) Extreme said to FOWLER: IT IS SAID You Have to Adopt All It's Suggested Practice if you real want to use xp, is what Right, Mr. Fowler? (2002/01/23 10:03) Zhangxf said to Fowler: I think Documentation is Important to a Big Project. Which Is The Media of Communication. What do u thisk? (2002/01/23 10:03) Serenaday said to Fowler: How do you think about the New Product of Microsoft .NET (2002/01/23 10:03) FOWLER Extreme said: TO GET The MOST OUT OF XP IT '
Sificate to Do All the Practices, At Least At First (2002/01/23 10:03) Yizhonghua left the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:04) Fowler said to EXTREME: But you also get benefits by doing Continuous INTEGRATION AND TEST DESIGN IIR OWN (2002/01/23 10:04) Xuxu1976: SIMONCN, How to DISTINGUISH THE FRMEWORK AND COMPONENT? (2002/01/23 10:04) MASC enters the chat room. 2002/01/23 10:04) Simoncn said to everyone: Component is to import a or group group of function (s) (2002/01/23 10:04) Simoncn said to everyone: framework is to address at a higher level , Like Business Process (2002/01/23 10:04) Fowler said to zhangxf: Never forget That your code you have said. (2002/01/23 10:04) Fowler to zhangxf: Other documents can Expand Upon IT (2002/01/23 10:04) GENEYuan left the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:05) Xuxu1976 said to FOWLER: What's The Future Of Component? Is The Component Oriented Programming? (2002/01 / 23 10:05) Fowler said: But the code is the foundation (2002/01/23 10:05) TENSILE said to Simoncn: How To Learn MFC? (2002/01/23 10:05) Charity_zhou enters chat Room. (2002/01/23 10:05) zhangxf to everyone Said: framework is a incomplete while components are and framework is generic but components maybe not (2002/01/23 10:05) extreme told fowler:. I remembered I found some ariticle which aimed to combine XP with RUP, how do you LIKE IT? (2002/01/23 10:05) FOWLER z zXF said: Not enough People Work to Write Clear Code (2002/01/23 10:05) Linden_xu enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:05 ) Tensile said to Simoncn: How to use
T Bother With MFC Now, Concentrate On .NET (2002/01/23 10:06) Simoncn said to everyone: in My devironment, We Adopt XP (2002/01/23 10:06) Simoncn said to everyone: But We Cannot Afford Pair Programming (2002/01/23 10:06) TENSILE said to Fowler: Thanx. (2002/01/23 10:06) Simoncn said to everyone: We do it at we have code review (2002/01/23 10:07) FOWLER said to EXTREME: There Are Several XP / Rup Articles Out There. (2002/01/23 10:07) Extreme said to Fowler: How do you like cmm, mr. fowler? (2002/01/23 10:07) Tensile said: YEATH, THANX. (2002/01/23 10:07) FOWLER ZHANGXF said: Anybody Who is doing technical Work Should Be Reading The Code (2002/01/23 10:07) Simoncn To everyone: Fowler May You Should Add Code Review In The Refactoring Process As An Recommendation (2002/01/23 10:07) Simonc N: Yeah, I Agree (2002/01/23 10:07) Simoncn is everyone Said: My Managers Also Read Through Our code enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:07) MYPINE enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:08) Simoncn To everyone: And Point Out The Places Lack of Enough Documents (We Use Java, SO It Is Javadoc) (2002/01/23 10:08) Tensile Say to Fowler: But how to read the code? (2002/01/23 10:08) Fowler says: i Did Say in the book That Code Reviews Are A Good Time For Refactoring (2002/01/23 10:08 ) FOWLER said to ghost_lj: I'm Sorry I don't understand Your Question (2002/01/23 10:08) JXYCLBL left the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:09) Sungods said to everyone: Wow ~ ~~ Good Cool ~~ (2002/01/23 10:09) Filbert enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:09) Zhangxf said to Fowler: in Certain Projects, Yes. Reading code is Feasible. But in My Recent Projects, There Are More 2000 Use Cases and Over 5k Classes. Reading Code To Understand IS (2002/01/23 10:09) Sungods said to everyone: necrosis, you bully people!
(2002/01/23 10:09) MYPINE said to FOWLER: Hello, MR FLOWER! (2002/01/23 10:09) Zhangxf said to Fowler: Not feasible and time consuming (2002/01/23 10:09) Simonc said to everyone: You Never Read Through all Codes (2002/01/23 10:09) Extreme said to Fowler: IT IS Said Many Indian Companies Got CMM 4 Level. I am Wondering Worther IT IT IT. How do you like it Mr. Fowler? (2002/01/23 10:10) Simoncn said to everyone: Pick Up Hotspots and Coduct Code Review (2002/01/23 10:10) Unimap said to Fowler: MR Fowler, How can I do A SOFTWARE TEST IN A Project? (2002/01/23 10:10) Sungods said to everyone: I See (2002/01/23 10:10) FOWLER ZHANGXF said: That's When Diagrams and Documents Come in Handy As a map for The Code (2002/01/23 10:10) Holyking enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:10) Fowler to zhangxf: But The details are in the code (2002/01/23 10:10) MyPine To gigix: Hello, Mr.Fowler! (2002/01/23 10:11) FOWLER said to EXTREME: CMM Helps Identify Some Good THINGS to Do Some Level. (2002/01 / 23:11) Tensile said to Fowler: How made the code More Effective (2002/01/23 10:11) Masc left the chat room. (2002/01 / 23 10:11) ZHANGXF said to FOWLER: Sure. But That's the part xp is misleading or rather vague. The guideline of what to document and what not is the key but also the tricky part (2002/01/23 10:11) Sungods left the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:11) Fowler said to Unimap: Get Hold of A Testing Framework Like Junit (2002/01/23 10:12) Jerryagain enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:12) Jerryagain said to zhangxf: don't mention your doc any more. So boring! (2002/01/23 10:12) Charity_zhou enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:12) Fowler to ZHANGXF : XP isn't against documents, it Says Only Do Them by add value (2002/01/23 10:12) FOWLER to ZHANGXF said: It's only the critics of xp Who Say That You Should Never Document In XP (2002 / 01/23 10:12) EXTREME says: But it '
S Difficult To Tell Which Is Valuable. (2002/01/23 10:13) Zhangxf said to Jerryagain: I would love to. But it's life and our work. That's the part I think mportant and like to Learn (2002/01 / 23 10:13) XIAO_YING_MA enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:13) Fowler to Jerryagain said: i agree the xp / document issu Goes on and on and on (YAWN) (2002/01/23 10:13 ) MYPINE said to FOWLER: Which Department Is The Refactoring for? (2002/01/23 10:13) Luofat enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:14) Unimap said to Fowler: On Your IDear, Which Tool Can I use to design my test? (2002/01/23 10:14) Fowler said to mypine: refactoring is Something Every Program Should Do (2002/01/23 10:14) Jerryagain said to zhangxf: u Know Some Tech from Your Question? I don't think so! (2002/01/23 10:14) MYPINE said to Fowler: I think The refactoring is a different thing! (2002/01/23 10:14) Fowler said to Unimap: This Helps You Think About What Tests You NEED (2002/01/23 10:15) MYPINE said to Fowler: But I support The refactoring! (2002/01/23 10:15) Yhufo Enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10 : 15) GZLY2000 enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:15) Zhangxf said to Fowler: What Do you think about web service? and the workflow integration with web services? (2002/01/23 10:15) FOWLER said to mypine: Programming is Difficult! (2002/01/23 10:15) Wugang99 enters the chat room. 2002/01/23 10:15) FOWLER said to mypine: Refactoring is Just Part of the task. With practice you get better. (2002/01/23 10:15) MYPINE said to Fowler: Yes (2002/01/23 10:16) The LW011 entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:16) Achang_hu left the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:16) Unimap said to gigix: No, I have not used JUnit, I am now In the study Rational Rose (2002/01/23 10:16) Mypine said to Fowler: Refactoring on The Structure Is Most Important! (2002/01/23 10:16) MYPINE said to FOWLER: IS IT? (2002/01 / 23 10:16) Rantaiqi enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:16) Rantaiqi said to Fowler: Hello, MR Flower, Can You Public your book "UML DISTILED"
In China? (2002/01/23 10:16) Fowler to Zhangxf: We've Been Doing Some Good Work with Web Services Recently, Hopefully I Can Get Them To Write About It (2002/01/23 10:16) FL_XYG said to Fowler: What does design model? (2002/01/23 10:16) Andrew.cheng enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:17) Fowler said to mypine: What DO You Mean by "on the structure" (2002/01/23 10:17) Extreme said to Fowler: Are you still coding at the moment, mr. fowler? (2002/01/23 10:17) Simoncn said to everyone: What's your Outlook for the mda from omg? (2002/01/23 10:17) Fowler said to Rantaiqi: I Belive UML Distilled Is Available in China, At Least I've Been Told IT IS. (2002/01/23 10 : 17) Fowler said to EXTREME: I don't write Much Production Code these Days, ONLY WHEN HELPING AS A Pair. (2002/01/23 10:18) Fowler said to EXTREME: Most of the code i write days IS examples for my books (2002/01/23 10:18) zhangxf said fowler: Have you worked on some projects with requirements team and development team in two locations Any pitfalls and diff you can suggest (2002/01/23 10?? : 18) Rantaiqi said to FOWLER: But I can't Buy this book in China. (2002/01/23 10:18) Fowler says: MDA IS Another Programming Language, Except with Diagrams (2002/01/23 10: 18) Simoncn said to FOWLER: Do you think MDA CAN really be a success? (2002/01/23 10:18) Fowler said to Simoncn: It's hard to get a programing language to succeed (2002/01/23 10:18 ) extreme told us: anybody saw UML Distilled soled in China where (2002/01/23 10:19) mypine said fowler:??! sorry, that's meat that the system's structure (contains class hiberarchy and their relationship) (2002 / 01/23 10:19) FL_XYG said to FOWLER: What does design model? (2002/01/23 10:19) wenytang left the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:19) Fowler said to mypine: I don '
T Focus on Any One Area (2002/01/23 10:19) Fowler said to mypine: I Would Say The Most Important Thing is To Remove Duplication (2002/01/23 10:19) Fowler said: The code SMells Drive the refactoring, Rather Than Any Particular Set of Refactorings (2002/01/23 10:19) Jerryagain left the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:20) Gigix said to FOWLER: Mr. Fowler, How do you think About The Term "Software Archietecture? (2002/01/23 10:20) Fowler said to Gigix: Architecture Usually Means Large Scale Design Issues (2002/01/23 10:20) George0CZ enters the chat room. (2002/01 / 23 10:20) FL_XYG said to FOWLER: What does design model? (2002/01/23 10:20) FAUN enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:21) Rantaiqi enters the chat room (2002/01/23 10:21) MYPINE said to Fowler: Yes, The Code Smells Drive Your Refactring, But The Structure Will Drive You to Do Be Rafactring, Yes? (2002/01/23 10:21) Gigix said to Fowler: Can I Think It "Large Scale Design Pattern"? (2002/01/23 10:21) FOWLER says to FL_XYG: Don't worry Too MUCH ABOUT THE MODELS (2002/01/23 10:21) WWABC enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:21) FOWLER says: USE AU SE Case To Structure Some Programming You Need To Do (2002/01/23 10:22) Fowler Speaking of FL_XYG: Explore How To Implement The Use Case with Various Techniques (2002/01/23 10:22) Mypine said to Fowler: I Found That, if there is a tolerance: Class Diagrams, Interaction Diagrams, CRC Cards (2002/01/23 10:22) Fowler pair in FL_XYG FL_XYG said: UseWHate Works for your Team (2002/01/23 10:22) Caoj1995 enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:22) Majordomo left the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:22) Fowler said to FL_XYG: In a One Month Iteration, Two or Three Days on Diagrams IS Usually Enough (2002/01/23 10:23) Simoncn said to Fowler: What '
S Your Personal Opinion of Design from Object World Then Map To Rdbms, or Vice Versa (2002/01/23 10:23) TIMWAP_CN enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:23) Timwap_CN said to Fowler: The Software Archietcure IS DESGIN MET, or Design Method? (2002/01/23 10:23) MYPINE Say: To Make Duplication Usually Is That The Class Hiberarchy Problem, Do you? (2002/01/23 10:23) Fowler to Gigix Say: CPPUNIT HAS BEEN AROUND for a while. I can't USE C ANY More (2002/01/23 10:23) xiao_ying_ma left the chat room. (2002/01/23 10: 24) FOWLER says: i like to get a conceptual model, Andrive Object and Database from That (2002/01/23 10:24) LW011 Say: What does design model relate with use-case realization? ( 2002/01/23 10:24) Fowler said: if Domain logic is Complex Then Object Model Should Drive (2002/01/23 10:24) Simoncn said to FOWLER: In The Same Time? How to synchronize, especially during Design ITeration .... (2002/01/23 10:24) Fowler says: You also don't need it, you also, your application is very Simple (2002/01/23 10:25) Timwap_CN said to FOWLER: Is there, maping Position for SW Architecure During Project? (2002/01/23 10:25) Simoncn said to Fowler: That's Another Headache To Me (2002/01/23 10:25) MYPINE said to Fowler: Mr. Fowler? (2002/01/23 10:25) Timwap_CN said to FOWLER: OR DURING DESIGN PHASE? (2002/01/23 10:25) Simoncn said to FOWLER: Yeah, Direct mapping to rdbms , Capture Biz Process In Some Oid (2002/01/23 10:25) Fowler says to LW011: i answerg, See Above (2002/01/23 10:25) MYPINE said to Fowler: Can You Look At My speaking? (2002/01/23 10:25) Keenqiu enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:26) Fowler said to mypine: I'm sorry there is lots of messages here, it '
S Hard to Keep Up (2002/01/23 10:26) MYPINE Say: Yes, All Right! (2002/01/23 10:27) FOWLER Say: That's What I do (2002/01/23 10:27) Gigix said to everyone: Oh, everyone is slightly slow, don't worry too.
(2002/01/23 10:27) Mr.right entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:27) Heey entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:27) MYPINE said to Fowler: Your Answer IS Our Problem's! (2002/01/23 10:28) Fowler said to TIMWAP_CN: I'm Afraid I don't understand Your Question (2002/01/23 10:28) Simoncn said to FOWLER: Do you agree Keep Class Hierarchy SIMPLE (NO MORE THAN 3 TIERS) for Distributed Computing? (2002/01/23 10:28) MYPINE Say to Fowler: Maby Be The Problem is Irresponsible, But I Still Want To ask you! (2002/01/23 10: 28) timwap_cn said fowler: there are many concepts about SW design and project developemnt, how to select the right method for team (2002/01/23 10:29) fowler said timwap_cn:? I tend to prefer the agile processes ( 2002/01/23 10:29) Fowler said to TIMWAP_CN: It's Better To Err ON Something A Little To Lightweight (2002/01/23 10:29) CNTIGER Enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:30) Brian Fan enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:30) WWABC said to FOWLER: Does it is netwo build business USE Case and use case in a project? And what reasoning between the M? (2002/01/23 10: 30) MYPINE said to Fowler: How do you think the uml? (2002 / 01/23 10:30) Fowler says: Remember What Count Is To Deliver Software That's Valuable To Your Customer (2002/01/23 10:30) Fowler Timwap_CN said: Keep Your Focus on That All The Time (2002 / 01/23 10:30) TIMWAP_CN said to FOWLER: Sorry, What I mean is how to put the concept INTO PRACTISE? (2002/01/23 10:30) FOWLER Say: and ensure That the intence of the Software is High (2002/01/23 10:30) Unteo enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:30) Fowler says: SO You can Keep Delivering at a good pace (2002/01/23 10: 30) GIGIX said to FOWLER: Would You please Recommend One of Your Articles To Chinese Developers? I'll Be Honor To Translate and Publish It. (2002/01/23 10:31) Fowler Spelling WWABC: USE Cases Are Useful, But it '
S Usually Not Necessary To Have Two Kinds of Use Case (2002/01/23 10:31) MYPINE Say: Hehe, A Dood IDEA! (2002/01/23 10:31) FOWLER says to WWABC: for a Longer (AND BETTER) ANSWER I SUGGEST COCKBURN'S BOOK (2002/01/23 10:31) Fowler to gigix said: The Best One That Could Use a Chinese Translation is The One on Continuous Integration (2002/01/23 10:32) Cber Leaving the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:32) Tonymao entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:32) Gigix said to Fowler: and the url? (2002/01/23 10:32) Fowler To gigix: Many of the articles have been translated Into Japanese. Is That Close Enough, or is there? (2002/01/23 10:32) MYPINE said to Fowler: Too Comfess (2002/01 / 23 10:33) MYPINE said to FOWLER: Sorry, I Send the error message! (2002/01/23 10:33) Simoncn said to FOWLER: Like English vs.spanish (2002/01/23 10:33) GIGIX Fowler said: There is Very, Very Big Difference. 99% Chinese Can't Read Japanese. (2002/01/23 10:33) WWABC said to Fowler: Would Tell me where i can Find Cockburn '
S Book in China? Thanks (2002/01/23 10:33) Fowler said to Gigix: Thanks for Letting Me Know (2002/01/23 10:33) Forrest_smiling Enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:33 Fowler said to Gigix: The Continusous Integration Article IS http://martinfowler.com/articles/continuousintegration.html (2002/01/23 10:34) Gigix said to Fowler: Thanks a Lot! (2002/01/23 10 : 34) Simoncn said to Fowler: SO You Authorize US to Republish in Chinese (2002/01/23 10:34) Umlchina enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:34) MYPINE said to Fowler: I think the UML Is Not Self-Contained, So The Grand Old Man Like You Should Modify It, Do You? (2002/01/23 10:34) Fowler said to Gigix: i Have No Problem with a translation. All I Need is to retain Copyright And a line to the Original (2002/01/23 10:35) Fowler said to mypine: I think The UML IS Close Enough (2002/01/23 10:35) Simoncn said to everyone: UML IS Under Omg Standard (2002 / 01/23 10:35) FOWLER said to mypine: I wouldn't be interested in working on it any more (2002/01/23 10:35) Fowler said: i Prefer to Concentrate On Patterns (2002/01 / 23 10:35) Yhufo enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:35) FL_XYG to FOWLE r: sorry, can you tell me detail about "in a one month it), two or three days on diagrams"
(2002/01/23 10:36) Kenxia enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:36) Extreme enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:36) Extreme said to Fowler: So what is a good Resource for Design Patterns? (2002/01/23 10:36) Gigix said to FOWLER: No Problem. I Introducted You At Our Magazine, Lots of Readers wish to read more from you. (2002/01/23 10:36) MYPINE said to FOWLER: Is The Refactancy One Part of The Patterns? (2002/01/23 10:36) Fowler said to FL_XYG: if you do this lifely two days for a one Month Iteration IS Fine (2002/01/23 10:36) Fowler said to FL_XYG: or you can do the design Work Gradually Over The ITeration (2002/23 10:37) Fowler said to FL_XYG: Xp Likes to do it gradually (2002/01/23 10:37) Fowler says: for pattern go to http://hillside.net/ (2002/01/23 10:37) Extreme said to Fowler: THANKS. (2002/01/23 10:38) FOWLER said to mypine: refactoring is connected with patterns (2002/01/23 10:38) Fowler said to mypine: patterns are offen the targets of refactoring (2002/01/23 10: 38) Yhufo said to FOWLER: why it is hard to refactoring Database Application! (2002/01/23 10:38) My Pine said to FOWLER: I Think The core of the pattern is seperate the mebolic and non-metabolic! (2002/01/23 10:38) Extreme said to Fowler: I got it! (2002/01/23 10:38) Mypine said to Fowler: Yes, Yes! (2002/01/23 10:38) Fowler said to Yhufo: Because Databases Usually Don n't have encapsulation (2002/01/23 10:38) Fowler said to Yhufo: Also The Integration Processes Usually Aren '
T Very Good (2002/01/23 10:38) Heey said to FOWLER: Is IT Important to Use Patterns on designing or programing? (2002/01/23 10:38) MYPINE said to FOWLER: Patterns Are Offen the Targets of REFACTRING! (2002/01/23 10:38) Fowler said to Youfo: And you have to migrate All The Data, Which Takes Time if you have a lot of data (2002/01/23 10:39) HotHeartqq Enters the chat room (2002/01/23 10:39) The more cold enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:39) Poirot enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:39) MYPINE said to Fowler: Good parlance! (2002/01/23 10:39) Fowler said: It's important to know About patterns (2002/01/23 10:39) Fowler says: You don't need to use the Them all the time, but you DO NEED TO BE Aware of Them (2002/01/23 10:39) Leox enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:40) Kenxia enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:40) MYPINE to FOWLER Say: Mr. Flower, How to start your refactring usually? (2002/01/23 10:40) Fowler said: i Refactor WHENEVER I'M Working on Some Code and I See a Bad Smell (2002/01/23 10:40) The more cold to everyone: What Shall To Do in Embeded System Test? (2002/01/23 10:41) Heey said to Fowler: Yeah, IT is the first thing before using it. (2002/0 1/23 10:41) MYPINE said to gigix: Hehe (2002/01/23 10:41) Shenborui entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:41) Mypine said to Fowler: What's the bad smell? (2002 / 01/23 10:41) Blue_eyes enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:41) Yhufo said to Fowler: How to find 'Bad Smell' in My Source Code! (2002/01/23 10:41) George0CZ enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:41) Poirot said to Fowler: Mr. Fowler, Do you think what xp is an anti-cmm process? (2002/01/23 10:41) zhangxf enters the chat room (2002/01/23 10:42) Fowler said to mypine: I Talk about Bad Smells in The Refactoring Book (2002/01/23 10:42) Fowler said to mypine: duplicated code is a good example of a bad smell (2002/01/23 10:42) wchenwu entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:42) @ 悟 @ 进 进. (2002/01/23 10:42) Ehuayu enters the chat room. (2002 / 01/23 10:42) XXZHU enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:42) Gigix said to everyone: "Bad Smell" refers to a bad code form,
21 species are listed in Refactoring, the first rush is a large class, long method, and repeat code. (2002/01/23 10:42) Sgenborui said to everyone: Oh, thank you (2002/01/23 10:42) Fowler said to Poirot: Many People in The agile Community See CMM as Very Different To Agile Methods Like XP ( 2002/01/23 10:43) GIGIX said to everyone: "Bad Smell" logo This part of the code needs to be reconstructed.
(2002/01/23 10:43) MYPINE said to gigix: Hello? (2002/01/23 10:43) J2EE enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:43) Charity_Zhou enters the chat room. (2002 / 01/23 10:43) CHARITY_ZHOU said to FOWLER: You Mean a Big Class Is Bad SMALL, But in Som System, It's Really A Big Class CompositeD by Small Classes (2002/01/23 10:43) @ 空 @ 进 入Room. (2002/01/23 10:43) Extreme said to Fowler: What do you mean by "(2002/01/23 10:44) Fowler said to Charity_Zhou: I don't see a composite as a big class - A Compositive Is Lots of Little Classes Working Together (2002/01/23 10:44) Kenxia said to Fowler: Hi, Fowler. Do You Think THINK THE UML WILL KILL THE CODER? (2002/01/23 10:44) EXTREME Fowler says: Agile Commuinity "? (2002/01/23 10:44) YDM1979 entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:44) J2EE said to everyone: The Code Lines of a class shop les Than 1500 (2002 / 01/23 10:45) Fowler said: The Agile Community is Those Who Are INTERESTED IN Agile Methods Like XP, Scrum, FDD, ETC (2002/01/23 10:45) Yhufo said to Fowler: in xp wu Use refactoring to impove code, Why Not Design First and Write a Good code Once! (2002/01/23 10:45) Poirot said to Fowler: IS XP Very Popular in Us Compared To Some Heavy Weight Process. (2002/01/23 10:46) Fowler said to Yhufo: It's to difficult to get a design Completely Right Up Front (2002/01/23 10:46) Fowler To Yhufo: Especially When Requirements Change (2002/01/23 10:46) Fowler said to Youfo: SO You NEED A MIX OF UP RONT Design and Refactoring (2002/01/23 10:46) Yhufo said to Fowler: IF Refactoring Will Slow Down The System for More Functions and Subs! (2002/01/23 10:47) Fowler says: XP is Still Small (It's new) But it's growth (2002/01/23 10:47) Fowler Yhufo said: LOTS OF SMALL CLASSES DON '
T Slow The System Down (2002/01/23 10:47) Fowler said to Yhufo: OFTEN THEY Perform Better in Modern VMS (2002/01/23 10:47) J2EE Say: What is your OPION on Write the Code And Review IT vs. Write a Little, Test A Little (2002/01/23 10:47) Fowler said to YHUFO: IF Your Profiling Indicates You NEED TO PUSH Things Together, Then Do It. (2002/01/23 10: 47) Shenborui said to everyone: Mr.Fowler, Can U Give Some advice? (2002/01/23 10:48) Fowler said to Yhufo: But Only if The Profiler Shows A Benefit (2002 / 01/23 10:48) Fowler said: I CERTAINLY Prefer Write a Litte, Test A Little (2002/01/23 10:48) FOWLER Say: Actually I Prefer Test A Little, Write a little; (2002/01/23 10:48) UNIMAP enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:49) Fowler said to J2EE: And Design All The Time (2002/01/23 10:49) Fowler's J2EE : And Design All The Time (2002/01/23 10:49) TENSILE enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:49) Tensile said to Fowler: How to improve the code's quality. (2002/01/23 10 : 49) WWABC said to FOWLER: Mr. Flowler, if The next Edition of Uml Will Be Recommend, What's New in That Version? (2002/01/23 10:49) Gigix said to everyone: (Mr. Fowler Prefer to Write Test Case At First.) (2002/01/23 10:49) J2EE said to FOWLER: But someone Told ME That Review Is Better Than Test (2002/01/23 10:49) Gigix said to everyone: (First write test, test can't pass, then write code, let test.
This is the development process that FOWLER is more likely to develop) (2002/01/23 10:50) Yhufo said to Fowler: In China I Can not find book
T thisk The designing is more important tour the design (2002/01/23 10:52) Fowler said to Poirot: a Simple Mechanism Is Best. OtherWise People Spend Too Much Time on It. (2002/01/23 10:53) CRANE_T Enter the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:53) Fowler said: Test First Design Is A Design Technique (2002/01/23 10:53) MYPINE said to FOWLER: Is The Gloal Method The Bad Smell? 2002/01/23 10:53) Fowler said to Kenxia: IT Makes you think About your interfaces (2002/01/23 10:53) Fowler says: And Encouranges You to Keep Your Code Well Factored (2002/01 / 23 10:53) WWABC said to everyone: Does anyone tell me what's mean of 'xp', Thanks (2002/01/23 10:53) Helloliudan enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:53) Mypine to WWABC Say: Extreme Program Design (2002/01/23 10:54) MYPINE said to WWABC: Extreme Programming (2002/01/23 10:54) FOWLER Say: XP is Short Hand for Extreme Programming, See Xprogramming.com 2002/01/23 10:54) Luofat entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:54) Fowler said to mypine: What do you mean by "glia 0"? (2002/01/23 10:54) Gigix To everyone: (We now put the XP unified name "Extreme Programming") (2002/01/23 10:54) Yhufo said to Fowler: What is the reason Between 'Design PA Ttern 'and' Analyze Battern '(2002/01/23 10:55) Socooliqiang enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:55) Fowler said to Yhufo: Analysis Patterns Are Patterns within The Domain Model of a System (2002 / 01/23 10:55) Gigix said to Fowler: That's a Term IN C . A Global Method Is A Method WITHOUT Any Class. (2002/01/23 10:55) Crane_t said to FOWLER: Hello MR Fowler (2002 / 01/23 10:55) Fowler said: They talk about how to model Certain Common Domain Problems (2002/01/23 10:56) MYPINE said to Fowler: Sorry, IT Should Be "Global Method"
! (2002/01/23 10:56) Fowler said to Yhufo: Design Patterns Are About Keeping Flexibility In Design (2002/01/23 10:56) Fowler's Yhufo said: The Apply At All Points in Software (2002/01 / 23 10:56) Poirot to Fowler: Mr. Fowler, Do you thinking the test case Written Before Coding is a knid of semantic specification of class function which cannot behieved by UML? (2002/01/23 10:56) Forrest315 said to FOWLER: Do Your mean we don't need test by other people, Programer Is Enough? (2002/01/23 10:56) TRYBIRD enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:56) Helloliudan left Chat room. (2002/01/23 10:57) Fowler said to mypine: You'll Rarely Need More Than A Few (2002/01/23 10:57) Fowler said to mypine: But Like Most Things, They Are Sometimes The Right Choice (2002/01/23 10:57) Fowler said to mypine: a Good C Book Should Talk About this, But I don't do C Any More (2002/01/23 10:57) Fowler says MYPINE : There Aren't any Free Functions in Java or C # (2002/01/23 10:57) Mikeniu enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:58) Fowler said to Poirot: Yes, That's a good way to think About IT (2002/01/23 10:58) MYPINE said to Fowler: But there Are A Static Keyboard in Java, IT Is Mean Global? (2002/01/23 10:58) FOWLER says: It's a kind of design by Contract By Example (2002/01/23 10:58) Poirot is said to Fowler : Thank you! (2002/01/23 10:58) Extreme enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:58) Extreme said to Fowler: In Many Software Houses, We Have a project Manager, Serveral Developers and SOME SO -Called QA ENGINEERS, HOW you like The Organization Of The Project Team? (2002/01/23 10:58) Windy.j Enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:58) Yhufo said to Fowler: Is That Means Analysis Pattern Is About Business Logic, Design About Software Program Logic? (2002/01/23 10:58) Fowler said: Static in Java IS Same As Static In C - a class method (2002/01/23 10: 58) FOWLER says: That '
Sa Resonable Way of Thinking of It (2002/01/23 10:59) Extreme said to FOWLER: SO, We can Still Get sort of global function in java like That in C . (2002/01/23 10:59) MyPine To fowler: Oh, Yes, It's Can Be Accessed In The Same Package, But Not Ohter Package! (2002/01/23 10:59) FOWLER Say: That's A Common Organization. It'All Depends How They Work Together 2002/01/23 10:59) Silentsnake enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 10:59) Extreme said to Fowler: EG Math.ceil (...) ETC. (2002/01/23 10:59) Gigix said to Fowler: Mr. Fowler, Windy.j Likes Your Analysis Patterns Very Much. She is the first one who translate the the The first 1:00) Silentsnake enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11 : 00) Fowler says: The Thing is Static Methods Area Always Hosted ON A Class (2002/01/23 11:00) Trybird smiled and said to Fowler: Hi! Martin Fowler.we Have Long Been Looking Forward to Meeting You XIU Are Renowned In CHINESE.YOU ARE RENOWNED IN CHINESE.YOU ARE RENOWNED IN USA (2002/01/23 11:00) XISSY enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:00) Fowler to Windy.j Say: Thank you for doing the translation (2002 / 01/23 11:00) Silentsnake enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:00) Shaojl enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:01) Trybird smiled and said to Fowler: We are all known
S My pleasure. (2002/01/23 11:01) Trybird smiling, saying to Fowler: What is The Difference Between The Analysis Class Diagram AND THE DESIGN CLASS DIAGRAM? (2002/01/23 11:02) XIAO_XIAO Enters the chat room (2002/01/23 11:02) WCHENWU smiled and said to FOWLER: I like the method of refactoring, But it is very hard to practice for me. (2002/01/23 11:02) TRYBIRD Smile is Fowler Say: How is polymorphism diffrom overloading? (2002/01/23 11:02) FOWLER says: Sadly Different People Use The Words Differently, So There ISn't A Single Answer To That Question (2002/01/23 11 : 02) J2EE enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:03) J2EE said to FOWLER: When Will You Use Other Method Than XP, For Example RUP, TSP, AND why? (2002/01/23 11:03 SunRoger entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:03) YDM1979 entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:03) Extreme said to Fowler: i don't think overloading has anything to do with oo. ( 2002/01/23 11:03) Fowler said to Wchenwu: Find Good People to Learn from (2002/01/23 11:03) Yhufo said to Fowler: IF WE Meet a New Domain Problem, How Me Use Analysis Pattern to settle This New Problem! (2002/01/23 11:03) Tomsmart enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:03) Tomsmart said to FOWLER: Does Refractoring NEED MATEPHOR? (2002/01/23 11:03) Windy.j said to FOWLER: I '
M Looking Forward to Meeting You Here, I Feel The Patterns You Gave Are Very Classical, But A Little Hard To Grasp. :) (2002/01/23 11:03) Trybird smiling and said: Haha! (2002/01 / 23 11:03) Tensile enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:04) Tensile said to everyone: WHEN to use xp this method? (2002/01/23 11:04) Fowler said to Wchenwu: in Refactoring , START by Focusing on the Smells - Particularly Duplicate Code (2002/01/23 11:04) J2EE Say: Can Will Practive Refactoring WITHOUT UNIT TEST? (2002/01/23 11:04) Gigix said to EXTREME: BUT Overloading Gives Your Code More Clarit (2002/01/23 11:04) MYPINE said to Fowler: I am Poor in Refactoring and Pattern, Can You Commend Some Books to Me? (2002/01/23 11:04) Fowler to J2EE Say: I use the method that the team selection (2002/01/23 11:04) The more cold enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:04) Fowler said to J2EE: a Team Has To Choose XP, You CAN 'T Impose IT (2002/01/23 11:05) Extreme said to Fowler: Yes, Gigix. (2002/01/23 11:05) Fowler said to Yhufo: Look to see if there is an analysis pattern pattern control Your Domain Probklem (2002/01/23 11:05) FOWLER says: IF SO Try Working with IT (2002/01/23 11:05) YDM1979: Overload Virtual Equal Polymorphism (2002/01/23 11:05) lizl_hz Enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:05) Fowler said to Yhufo : IT Will Never Match 100%, But you shop Gain Some Insight from it (2002/01/23 11:06) Yhufo said to Fowler: Do you know the refactoring Tools for VB! (2002/01/23 11:06) J2EE said to FOWLER: How do Deal with Large Team, There Are Many Newbie, No Enough Gurus. (2002/01/23 11:06) Fowler said to TomSmart said: Sorry i had refresh My Screen, i Lose Red When I do That (2002/01/23 11:06) EXTreme said to everyone: What do you mean by "overload virtual"
YDM1979? (2002/01/23 11:06) MYPINE said to Fowler: Are there is Tools for Delphi? (2002/01/23 11:06) lzhihua enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:06) MYPINE said to Fowler: Some Factoring Tools? (2002/01/23 11:06) Leoxy enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:07) Trybird smiling and said to everyone: and what is the difference Between The Analysis Class Diagram and THE Design Class Diagram? (2002/01/23 11:07) Tomsmart said to FOWLER: does Refractoring NEED MATEPHOR? (2002/01/23 11:07) FOWLER says: SO I'm Working ON The Isa Ones at the moment (2002/01/23 11:07) MYPINE said to EXTREME: You Should Read An OOP BOOK! (2002/01/23 11:07) Fowler to Windy.j: Maybe I'll Get Back to Analysis Patterns Later (2002/01/23 11:07) Mouri enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:07) Focusun enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:07) Fowler said to Yhufo: I don't know yet (2002/01/23 11:07) Extreme said to FOWLER: AS A Programmer, What is your faviourite Editor, Java IDE, MR. FOWLWER? (2002/01/23 11 : 07) Heey entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:07) Tensile entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:08) Heey said to Fowler: Mr.Fowler, in Terms of the system of telecom, Like Boss, WHI CH Software Development Process Will U Choose? Agile or XP? Or Something Else? (2002/01/23 11:07) Fowler said to Yhufo: IF i do, I'll Post Them on refactoring.com (2002/01/23 11:08) SHENBORUI said to FOWLER: Can U Recommend Some Tools for Refactoring (2002/01/23 11:08) Poirot to Fowler: Just The Other Day a India Software Engineer Told Me That The Position in Software Process Like Sepg and SQA IS BORING, DO you think so? (2002/01/23 11:08) Fowler said to mypine: i Also don't know of any Delphi refactoring Tools, Again I '
Ll post on refactoring.com (2002/01/23 11:08) MYPINE said to Fowler: Are The There Some Refactoring Tools for Delphi? (2002/01/23 11:08) ZF_007 Enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:08) FOWLER said to Shenborui: i Have a list of refactoring Tools at www.refactoring.com (2002/01/23 11:08) Mypine left the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:09) Fowler Shenborui said: There Are Several Nice Refactoring Tools for Java (2002/01/23 11:09) MYPINE enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:09) Simonc enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:09 Simoncn said to everyone: Yeah, Ideaj (2002/01/23 11:09) Fowler said to Shenborui: At the moment i use intellj (www.intellij.com) - Which is a Very Nice IDE (2002/01/23 11:09) Lzhihua said to everyone: What The Bigest Difference Between Rup and XP? (2002/01/23 11:09) Shenborui said to gigix: OK (2002/01/23 11:09) Fowler said: i 'm afraid I don't do Telec, SO i can't Give Good Advice For IT (2002/01/23 11:10) Windy.j said to FOWLER: OH, WE KNOW That You are very busy. from the business Experiences, TO GET THE PATTERNS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE Right WAY, ISN '' 台 (2002/01/23 11:10) TENSILE said: What is the precise meaning of the Refactoring? (2002/01/23 11:10) Fowler said to poirot: I don't know (2002/01/23 11:10) Fowler said to Poirot: WE Have An Indian Office Now, But We Are Using Agile Methods (2002/01/23 11:10) Tomsmart said to FOWLER: Could i Have you advice of the procedure for refratoraling (2002/01/23 11:11) FOWLER to LZHIHUA: RUP is more of a process framework and is most Complex (2002/01/23 11:11) Poirot to Fowler: How to Prevent The THEDY COMMONS BY "Everyone Owns the code" in XP? (2002/01/23 11:11) Windy.j said to Fowler: Thanks for your works and your answers:) (2002/01/23 11:11) Fowler said to lzhihua said: XP is Simpler and Designed for Particular Kinds of Projects (2002/01/23 11:11) Yhufo said to Fowler: IF WE Have Analog Analysis Pattern's Pattern.for We CAN CREATE SOMAIN '
Sanalysis Pattern by this pattern! (2002/01/23 11:11) Extreme said to FOWLER: Maybe Too Complex. Too Many Documentation Which Drive Me Crary (2002/01/23 11:11) Gigix said to everyone: (Refactoring IS . the process of changing a software system in such a way that it dos not alter the external behavior of the code yet improves its internal structure (2002/01/23 11:11) fowler said lzhihua: XP is very high discipline, so IT Takes Effort to Learn (2002/01/23 11:11) SSIMYILI enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:11) Tensile entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:11) Yhufo said to Fowler: I Mean Pattern in Analysis Pattern (2002/01/23 11:12) Trybird smiling and said to Fowler: What is the top-drawer in xp? (2002/01/23 11:12) Shenborui said to everyone: Sorry, Where Can I get
T Think You CAN Really Describe Rup in One Sentance! (2002/01/23 11:14) TENSILE said to gigix: Windy.j, WHERE CAN LOOK UR TRANSLATION? (2002/01/23 11:14) TRYBIRD smile Fowler says: What is the top-drawer in xp? (2002/01/23 11:15) Fowler said to lzhihua said: I would say XP is an Agile Process with a strong focus on technical practices. (2002/01/23 11 : 15) Tensile said: Like C . (2002/01/23 11:15) Tensile said: Hi, WHERE CAN LOOK AT UR TRANSLATION? (2002/01/23 11:16) Windy.j To Fowler: Yes, I See, OK, I'll Go To The Thoughtworks' Website to Learn The ISA Patterns, Thank you for your guide. (2002/01/23 11:16) Trybird smiling and said: Hi in Umlchina: Hi (2002/01/23 11:16) xiaolizhi168 enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:16) Lzhihua said to Fowler: Rup Say: Architecture First, Use Case Driven, ITERATIVE DEVELOP. Right? (2002/01/23 11:16) The more cold to Fowler: Can You Describe How To Verificate Software Reliability? (2002/01/23 11:16) Fowler says: The ISA Patterns Are ON My Site: Martinfowler.com (2002/01/23 11:16) Extreme said to FOWLER: Is there any real proj ECT Documentation CREATED A REAL XP Projet Team Which We Can Reference? (2002/01/23 11:16) XISSY left the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:17) Trybird smiled and said to gigix: hi! Glad To meet you TOO! (2002/01/23 11:17) Fowler says: i don't know of anything publicly available (2002/01/23 11:17) Windy.j said to TENSILE: in the xprogram arcles CAN Download from Umlchina (2002/01/23 11:17) Fowler says: Yes But That Doesn '
T Say Very Much About Rup Does It? (2002/01/23 11:17) Trybird smiled and said to everyone: Sorry! My boss com! (2002/01/23 11:18) Tensile said to gigix: Always Turn Off (2002/01/23 11:18) FOWLER Say: XP is Also Architecture-Centric, But Encourages An Evolving Architecture (2002/01/23 11:18) TRYBIRD smiles, say: Shit! Go Away with me. bye! (2002/01/23 11:18) Fowler said to lzhihua said: XP is Also More Item Than Rup, at Least In Practice (2002/01/23 11:18) WWABC enters the chat room. (2002 / 01/23 11:18) Trybird smiled and said to everyone: I miss all of you! And mr fowler. Bye! (2002/01/23 11:19) Trybird smiling and said to everyone:: -) (2002 / 01/23 11:19) TRYBIRD left the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:19) Crystal_y entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:19) Gigix said to Fowler: Do You Know Agilemodeling? How do YOUTINK ABOUT UML IN AGILE PROCESS? (2002/01/23 11:19) Windy.j said to FOWLER: The New Account Patterns Add More Contents to The Old Ones, And Sample Codes IN C , That's Very Good. (2002 / 01/23 11:19) Wyvern enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:20) Fowler said to gigix: I've Been Keeping An Eye On Scott Ambler's Work (2002/01/23 11:20) Fowler Gigix said: I think He Has Some Good Ideas (2002/01/23 11:20) TENSILE said to umlchina: How to use xp to ivprove the effect? (2002/01/23 11:20) FOWLER says: The New Account Patterns Are Much More Like I Would Do Analysis Patterns NOW (2002/01/23 11:20) Fowler: (But The Code Is Actually Java: -) (2002/01/23 11:20) lzhihua Fowler said: Some One Said That XP IS A Simple Form of Rup. Do you think so? (2002/01/23 11:21) Fowler says: The efficienchyl of what? (2002/01/23 11:21) YHUFO enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:21) Yhufo said to Fowler: Do You Carray Out XP in Your Company? (2002/01/23 11:21) Gigix said to Fowler: And how do you think about Joshua Kerievsky '
Sworks? Are the value? (2002/01/23 11:22) Fowler said to lzhihua said: You Can Say That. But Since Anything Is A Simple Form of Rup It Doesn't Say Much! (2002/01/23 11 : 22) HuGC entered the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:22) Gigix said to Fowler: The "refactorings to patterns", I mean. (2002/01/23 11:22) Luofat enters the chat room. (2002) / 01/23 11:22) TENSILE said to FOWLER: The Company's Efficiency and the Employee. (2002/01/23 11:22) Fowler says: We've seen the practices we've Used IMPROVE OUR Efficiency a Lot (2002/01/23 11:23) J2EE Enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:23) J2EE said to Fowler: Can We use refactoring button WEELL? (2002/01/23 11:23) Fowler said: doing refactoring without tests is like a tightrope without a net (2002/01/23 11:23) Andrew.cheng left the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:24) Fowler TENSILE said: Rather You Than Me; -) (2002/01/23 11:24) Fowler said to TENSILE: Whoops That Was To J2EE, Something Slipped (2002/01/23 11:24) Tensile said to Fowler: in My Company The Employee's Efficiency Is Low. (2002/01/23 11:24) Tensile said to FOWLER: SO My Company Want to Execute Cmm OR Other method. (2002/01/23 11:25) Ericxzhu enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:25) Fowler said: if Things Are Bad, Then Cmm Will Probably Help (2002/01/23 11 : 25) Ericxzhu enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:25) Fowler said to TENSILE: As Long As the Company Concentrate On The Process Improvement, Not getting to a Particular Level (2002/01/23 11:26) Yhufo said to Fowler: What Language You Use for Develop Application! (2002/01/23 11:26) Lzhihua said to Fowler: I Want to Import XP Into Our Company. But It See It Require The Developer Too MUCH. (2002 / 01/23 11:26) Extreme said to everyone: But cmm seems to be too complex. (2002/01/23 11:26) @ 空 @
Say to Fowler: Mr. Fowler, Would you please tell me is there. Learn it (2002/01/23 11:26) Extreme said to Fowler: But Cmm Seems to Be Too Complex (2002/01/23 11:26) Luofat enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:27) Gigix To the Fowler: BUT 70% of Chinese Software Companies Has Less Than 50 People. IS CMM The Right Selection for the? (2002/01/23 11:27) TENSILE said: Govement Hope My Company CAN Pass CMM. (2002 / 01/23 11:27) Fowler said to EXTREME: CMM Does Not Have to Be So Complex, IT Depends How It's Done (2002/01/23 11:27) HAIDES Enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11: 27) Fowler says: OFTEN IT'S DONE I WAY That Makes It Complex (2002/01/23 11:27) Fowler said to gigix: CMM isn't WHERE I Would Start, But it's better Thanh A Bad Company Doing Nothing (2002/01/23 11:27) Poirot Enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:27) Poirot said to Fowler: Do You Think XP WILL HELP A SOFTWARE COMPANY TO ACHIEVE A High CMM level? (2002/01 / 23 11:27) Tensile said to FOWLER: But my MY Company Haven't Specialties of CMM. (2002/01/23 11:28) J2EE said to FOWLER: IS XP Method Gennerally ACCEPTED by THE SOFTWARE Companies? (2002/01/23 11:28) Yhufo said to Fowler: WHEN WEER DEVELOP A LARGE PROJECT WE USE RUP, SMALL ONE USE XP? (2002/01/23 11:28) HMSR Enters the chat room. (2002/01/23 11:28) Windy.j said to Fowler: IT '
S Hard To Get Classes Modal from The Use Give US Some Advice In this? (2002/01/23 11:28) TENSILE said to FOWLER: THEN How to do? (2002/01/23 11:28 Fowler said to Poirot: See http://www.xpuniverse.com/xpandcmm.pdf (2002/01/23 11:28) Lzhihua said to FOWLER: You Said That XP is a Technical Process. How About The Management Process in XP? (2002/01/23 11:29) Fowler's J2EE said: XP is Still Very New, Mainly for Early Adopters (2002/01/23 11:29) Poirot to Fowler: What do you think of other agile Processes Besides XP? (2002/01/23 11:29) Tensile said to Fowler: Your advice? (2002/01/23 11:30) Fowler said to Yhufo: don't try using xp on anything with more Than 20 people Until You'VE Used It On Smaller Projects First (2002/01/23 11:30) TENSILE said to Fowler: My Company Have More Than 100 Men. (2002/01/23 11:30) Fowler said to lzhihua said: XP Has Technical And Management Processes, But There's More Detail on The Technical (2002/01/23 11:30) Extreme said to everyone: But you can reason 20 Men in Each Project Team (2002/01/23 11:31) More cold Fowler says: Pair Programing CAN Improve Develope Efficiency, And How To Do (2002/01/23 11:31) Fowler said to gigix: Try this: http://www.xpuniverse.com/xpandcmm.pdf (2002/01/23 11:31) Windy .j said to FOWLER: That's The Most Difficult I Ever Felt, WHERE The is no pattern for refference. (2002/01/23 11:31) J2EE Say: How Will XP Interact with Project Management? in Another Word, How Word? in Another Word, How Will TO Management a Team That Use XP. (2002/01/23 11:32) Fowler said to gigix: or better still: http://www.google.com/search?q=paulk xp (2002/01/23 11:32) FOWLER said to gigix: Thank you for having me (2002/01/23 11:32) Fowler said to gigix: i '
