Old words to reprifia: software quality assurance during development
☆ ━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ Bird on Sun Jul 25 14:23:56 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Recently, during the development process, the problem of software quality seems to become more and more serious. The most direct performance is the product submitted to the user, even if it is a trial, BUG is a lot. If you look back, it is actually analyzed from the initial demand, system design ..., has been the final code, test, although it is duty, but it feels in the form. Of course, this will inevitably lead to a decline in the quality of the final software, even poor. The truth of software engineering understands that the project is tight, the direct consequence is that the development cycle is sharply compressed, all programmers, testers are driving. Therefore, I know that I really want to solve the problem of software quality, I must start from this regard. However, this is limited to the theoretical level, in practice, when a profit relatively rich project is in front of it, we will talk to the boss. "In order to ensure quality, we need to give up this project"? The market is here, this time I missed, and I will not have a chance next time. So, I feel that this is a very prominent contradiction, and the programmer seems to be powerful. Then, under this premise, I want to discuss how to ensure software quality as much as possible. You may say that a high-quality software requires high quality analysis, design, coding, testing ... etc., Or that sentence, we all understand. I want to discuss this problem under some premise. Suppose our demand analysis is already good enough, and the communication is not a problem with the customer, then how to ensure that the software products developed independently meet the needs, will not let users crazy bug? Let's talk about a point of personal opinion, after the demand is determined, we can't change anything later. Then the design of the entire system, we also assume that this design is feasible and reasonable. Next, it should be an implementation of the system, I will return the design of each functional module in this process, and the specific details are completely free from programmers. Of course, the encoding is also completed at this stage. Finally, the system test, including various types, scale tests, can be said that the test is the most important aspect of the software product delivery. If the test is well done, it is theoretically measured a variety of potential problems, then we can confidently say that our software products are high quality. But this is unrealistic, and as a program developer, I don't want to depends on the tester. I still want to try to kill some potential factors that can lead to decline in software quality during the process of implementation of programmers participating in the system. Therefore, I want to hear the high level of everyone, in the case of a group of groups, it is possible to produce high-quality software as much as possible during pure development of Groups? Welcome! ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ Lostar at Sun Jul 25 15:50:13 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Increase the price, is one of the ways to improve the quality, if a project is two or three people, the excellent programmer The role is not lower than the software engineering. At this time, people are an important factor in determining software quality. Most money, use high quality developers, is a good way.
[In Bird (Irrigation, do not disturb ...) mentioned in the masterpiece:]: Recently, the problem of software quality seems to become more serious during the development process. : The most direct performance is the product submitted to the user, even the trial, BUG a lot. : If you look back, it is actually analyzed from the initial demand, system design ..., a final code, test, although it is based on the class, but it feels in the form. : Of course, this will inevitably lead to a decline in the final software quality, even bad. : The truth of software engineering is understanding, but the project is tight,: Direct consequence is that the development cycle is sharply compressed, all programmers, testers are driving. So, I know that if I really want to solve the problem of software quality, I must start from this regard. However, this is only limited to the theoretical level, in practice, when a profit is relatively rich,: >> ............................. ............ ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━ ☆ ☆ Westmoon in Sun Jul 25 16:03 : 07 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ ☆ Testing staff and time must have a must have always considered The ideal and reality of the place ~~ [In Bird (Irrigation, do not disturb ...), in the masterpiece:]: Recently, the problem of software quality seems to become more and more serious during the development process. : The most direct performance is the product submitted to the user, even the trial, BUG a lot. : If you look back, it is actually analyzed from the initial demand, system design ..., a final code, test, although it is based on the class, but it feels in the form. : Of course, this will inevitably lead to a decline in the final software quality, even bad. : The truth of software engineering is understanding, but the project is tight,: Direct consequence is that the development cycle is sharply compressed, all programmers, testers are driving. So, I know that if I really want to solve the problem of software quality, I must start from this regard. However, this is only limited to the theoretical level, in practice, when a profit is relatively rich,: >> ............................. ............ ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━ ━ ☆ Bird on Sun Jul 25 17:50 : 12 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━ ☆ ☆ ☆ 纯 开 开 开 开 开 开 开 开 开 开 开 开 开 开 开of. Therefore, it can be said that the level of programmers is on the one hand. So, from management, or from the whole process, have there any feasible control means to ensure quality? [In the masterpiece of lostar@createsun.com]:: Increase prices, one of the ways to improve quality: If a project is two or three people, excellent programmers play a lower role than the software project. : At this time, people are an important factor in determining software quality. : Most of the money, use high quality developers, it is a good way.
: >> .......................................... ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ Bird on Sun Jul 25 17:51:42 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━ ☆ Yes, the test is definitely unable to be less. It is indeed, in this regard, in this regard, the tester is different from the perspective of the programmer, and they do provide some constructive opinions and suggestions. Now I mean, do not consider the problem of ideas, pure technology development, how to guarantee quality. Give a Naive example, a while loop, if you add a semicolon behind the conditions, I think even if there is an experienced programmer, I can't guarantee such a mistake in the process of the code, but if it is here. After submitting the section code, another programmer comes to the CHECK code, even single step tracking debugging, this problem remains very small. Of course, this example belongs to extreme primary errors, and general programmers will carefully debug will find it. Just want to pass this description, we can improve quality from some management perspectives. After all, each programmer is limited, and it is not possible to expect all the people to become excellent overnight. [Mentioned in the masterpiece of Westmoon (Java Step By Step):]: The testing personnel and time are must be: After all, there is always a place where you have considered: ideals and reality ~~: >> ...... ......... <省 以下 省>> ........... ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ Hijack in Sun Jul 25 18:03:48 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━ ☆ UNIT TEST Nightly Build test results The next day in Memeber's mailbox, OpenSource did this, we are also trying to do Auto Nighly Build [In Bird (in Irrigation, do not disturb ...) masterpiece To:]: Yes, the test is definitely unable to be less. It is not true that it is indeed, in this regard, the tester is different from the programmer's view, and they do provide some constructive comments and suggestions. : Now I mean, do not consider the problem of ideas, pure technology development, how to guarantee quality. : Lifting a Naive example, a while loop, if there is a semicolon after the condition,: I think even if there is an experienced programmer, I don't want to guarantee such a mistake in the process of the code,: But If after this code is submitted, the code is checked by another programmer,: even single step tracking debugging, the probability left by this problem is very small. : >> .......................................... ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ Westmoon at Sun Jul 25 18:36:58 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Similar to this detail XP knuckle team should be able to solve the problem, it is difficult to find the corresponding approach probably only by demand and analysis design stage [ In Bird (in water, do not disturb ...), it will be mentioned in:]: Yes, testing is definitely unable to be less. It is not true that it is indeed, in this regard, the tester is different from the programmer's view, and they do provide some constructive comments and suggestions.
: Now I mean, do not consider the problem of ideas, pure technology development, how to guarantee quality. : Lifting a Naive example, a while loop, if there is a semicolon after the condition,: I think even if there is an experienced programmer, I don't want to guarantee such a mistake in the process of the code,: But If after this code is submitted, the code is checked by another programmer,: even single step tracking debugging, the probability left by this problem is very small. : >> .......................................... ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Hijack in Sun Jul 25 18:41:30 2004: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ Let me think of the article of Bea, Haha tells your XP pairing practice, we see some shortcomings [mentioned in the masterpiece of Westmoon (Java Step By Step): 】: Similar to this details The XP knives should be able to resolve: But the system-level test on the overall situation is difficult to find the corresponding approach: probably only the details of the demand and analysis design phase: >> ..... ............................................................... ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Jackle at Sun Jul 25 18:54:36 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━ ☆ Talk about it. Disadvantages [That mentioned in Hijack (alone) masterpiece:]: Let me think of the article of Bea, haha: Talk about your XP pairing practice, we see some shortcomings ☆ ━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ Jackle in Sun Jul 25 19:00:43 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ I am interested in this, can I provide some information or experience? PS: Have you given users to refer to the entire project? User participation in XP is very important. [In the masterpiece of Hijack (alone):]: UNIT TEST Nightly Build: The test results are in the MEMEBER's mailbox on the next day: OpenSource is doing this: We are also trying to do Auto NiGhly Build: >> .............................................. ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ Adoal in Sun Jul 25 19:06:48 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Your example is really bad, because it can be solved with this mechanized approach,: P [In Bird (Irrigation, do not disturb ...) masterpiece To:]: Yes, the test is definitely unable to be less. It is not true that it is indeed, in this regard, the tester is different from the programmer's view, and they do provide some constructive comments and suggestions. : Now I mean, do not consider the problem of ideas, pure technology development, how to guarantee quality. : Lifting a Naive example, a while loop, if there is a semicolon after the condition,: I think even if there is an experienced programmer, I don't want to guarantee such a mistake in the process of the code,: But If after this code is submitted, the code is checked by another programmer,: even single step tracking debugging, the probability left by this problem is very small.
: >> .......................................... ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ Westmoon in Sun Jul 25 19:09:59 2004: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ━ 实 实Article, haha: Talk about your XP pairing practice, we see some shortcomings ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━ ━ SUN JUL 25 19:24:23 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ High Quality Developers Used Suitable tools, you can do a half-melive :) [In the masterpiece of Adoal (Isn't CMB Crazy?):]: Your example is really bad, because it can be solved by this mechanized approach,: P: >> .............................................. ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Lostar at Sun Jul 25 19:25:25 2004: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ The attention of the process can be reduced, because I think you have done it now now. Management is not the formulation of the system to comply with others, management is more important, and the specific analysis of specific issues, in a few aspects of planning, organization, control, and assessment. Sometimes a change in employee evaluation indicators can lead to unexpected results, and sometimes a sound and practical plan guarantees the big reduction in project risk. [In Bird (in Irrigation, do not disturb ...) mentioned in the masterpiece:]: Simply proposed, excellent programmers must be necessary. Therefore, it can be said that the level of improving the programmer is one aspect. So, from management, or from the whole process: Is there any feasible control means to minimize quality? : >> .......................................... ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ Hijack in Sun Jul 25 19:28:16 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Go to subscribe to the mailist of open source project developer or participate in the development you will feel PS: our users don't have ideal, but we still use Use Story tracking system [ In the masterpiece of Jackle (sleep ~~ windforce):]: I am more interested in this, can I provide some information or experience? : ps: Have you given users to participate in the entire project? : User participation in XP is very important.
☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ ☆ Frankcai at Sun Jul 25 19:23:12 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ Company's projects will generally have a certain continuation, such as the development language may always use C or Java Waiting (also including other aspects), there are many cases that lead to low software quality, which will have some common problems in low levels of design and code, or uncommon people usually. Error, from another aspect, high-level low bug design and code will have some common, (such as some mode applications from this idea), in technology, it should be gradually passed through some measures Boot, establish some design and code standards, encourage excellent habits, eliminate bad design and coding style, avoid some problems that are easy to lead to low quality, in our company, any official software process will have a more official REVIEW, as much as possible, the high quality of the process, the design of the design is of course heavy, as far as the code, there will be a formal review, see the common problems and styles of the code, and some logically some problems Is there a relatively large problem, etc., of course, these are more energetic, I now feel that foreigners do so software is really very big. If it is the same big project, it is called China's company to do it. The boss is willing to vote for a 1/3, it is almost the same (personal feeling :) It is also unwrick that their quality is relatively high (of course, China's company will not reach the same level, there is such a More investment may not know how to use it :) [In Bird (Irrigation, don't disturb ...), mention:]: Simply apriced that excellent programmers must be necessary. Therefore, it can be said that the level of improving the programmer is one aspect.
So, from management, or from the whole process: Is there any feasible control means to minimize quality? : >> .......................................... ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Hijack in Sun Jul 25 19:48:09 2004: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ Establish a standard for some design and code, encourage use of excellent habits, eliminate bad design and coding style, @. @? [In Frankcai (from Shaolin Director to Yi " The masterpiece is mentioned in the masterpiece:]: The company's project will generally have a certain continuation, such as the development language may always use C or Java, etc. (also including other aspects): in a certain technical field Inside,: Many of the low levels of software are often similar, and there are some common problems,: or less experienced errors,: From another aspect : High levels of low bugs will have some common situations,: (For example, some models come from such ideas): >> ................
(Reality is not so ideal, I think): The standard is generally comparable to the high-level level,: For specific situations, there is a specific problem with some things,: At this time, it will rely on experienced The good style and excellent habit of pointers are: Generally, the technical boss sees the following people to write code and design, then say that this design may have a problem, how should I design and write how to write? Code,: >> ................. <省 省 省>> ............ ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━ ☆ Hijack in Sun Jul 25 19:57:58 2004: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ A programmer of 7 years of programming experience (now still writing the program) How much? How much is it? How many 3 years? [In Frankcai mentioned in the masterpiece of Frankcai to Yi Jingjing):]: Say missing? (Heroes Guide): The standard cannot be fine to all levels? (Reality is not so ideal, I think): The standard is generally comparable to the high-level level,: For specific situations, there is a specific problem with some things,: At this time, it will rely on experienced The good style and excellent habit of pointers are: Generally, the technical boss sees the following people to write code and design, then say that this design may have a problem, how should I design and write how to write? Code,: >> ................. <省 省 省>> ............ ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ Bird on Sun Jul 25 20:04:37 2004 statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ Where can I find these related tools? I haven't used it before, I plan to try it. [In the masterpiece of lostar@createsun.com]:]: High-quality developers use the right tools, you can do a half-melled:) ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ Bird on Sun Jul 25 20:05:20 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ So, it is also considering the use of some mechanized methods to deal with similar problems, or cannot be called, prevent problems. Can I recommend a few more tools? [In the masterpiece of ADOAL (ISN't CMB Crazy?):]: You can solve this example because it uses Lint's mechanized approach,: P: >> ...... ......... <省 以下 省>> ........... ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ Bird at Sun Jul 25 20:08:32 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━ ☆ It sounds very good, but it can actually handle N projects at the same time, and it seems that feasibility is worth discussing.
[In the masterpiece of Hijack (alone):]: UNIT TEST Nightly Build: The test results are in the MEMEBER's mailbox on the next day: OpenSource is doing this: We are also trying to do Auto NiGhly Build: >> .............................................. ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ Bird on Sun Jul 25 20:10:12 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━ ☆ I agree with you very much. 1. There is less invested, less arrogant, huh, huh. 2. There must be a variety of detailed REVIEW, in fact, we don't have enough. 3. Coding specification, there is, the effect is not particularly good, and it is not necessary to force everyone. Everyone is like this. At this point, it may be necessary to pay attention to the strategy of personnel management. It seems that everyone is not active enough.
[Frankcai (from the Shaolin Director to Yi Jing Jing), mention:]: The company's project will generally have a certain continuation, such as the development language may always use C or Java, etc. Also include other aspects): In a certain technical field, there are many situations that lead to low software quality,: also have some common problems,: or undersiscies usually Common errors,: From another aspect,: high-level low bugs have some common situations,: (such as some model applications come from such ideas): >> ..... ............................................................... ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Frankcai at Sun Jul 25 20:02:34 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━ ☆ Our Arch, I heard that the 25-year software development experience (of course, all in foreign countries) is at least 79 years ago, just came to a Leader, Chinese, as if it is almost 20 years now, He said that he was 95 to learn Java, and he did a few years in the first line. Of course, it is not in the first line. There are still some of the 7-year programming experience, there are some people who have not written, but When Review is the main figure, the department establishment group specializes in standard (on the one hand is the standard, and the other you can eventually reach the peer review) also to lead the experience mainly in this time, is it still written code? Important, MS you said that it is a developer's quality problem. People who write code can have too many experiences, but the code is dedicated to someone REVIEW, or can guarantee quality in a certain extent, of course, when recruits Strict process, try to ensure that the quality of the code written in the code is relatively high, returning to the quality problems of the developers mentioned earlier, [mentioned in the masterpiece of Hijack:]: A company has 7 years of programming experience (now is still writing the program) How many?: How much is it in 5 years?: How much is it in 3 years?: >> .............. ......................................... ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━ ☆ ☆ MWong The statement on Sun Jul 25 20:17:02 2004: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ Jtest for Java Code [in Bird In the water, do not disturb ...), in the masterpiece mentioned:]: So it is also considering the use of some mechanized approaches to deal with similar problems,: or cannot be dealt with, prevent problems.
: Can I recommend a few better tools? ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Hijack in Sun Jul 25 20:16:14 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ I said that the factors behind you have to explain the factors after the experience of the programmer can inherit? You The department you can weigh the seven years of experience in the 5 years?% 3 years?%, I can't understand your expression, you said that your quality mainly look at the Review on the one hand, it is mainly to read the programmer. What is the main look? [In the masterpiece of Frankcai (from the Shaolin Changkan to Yi Jing):]: Our Arch here, I heard that the requirements of 25 years of software development experience (of course abroad): calculate At least 79 years ago,: Just come to a Leader, Chinese, seem to be almost almost 20 years,: He said that he didn't learn Java in 95, and did a few years in the first line, of course, now On the first line,: There are still some of the 7-year programming experience, and there are some things that they have not written, but when review: is the main figure, department establishment group specializes in standard (on the one hand, standard, : In addition, I hope that Peer Review can be reached. It is also necessary to lead the leader: Experience is mainly reflected in this time, is it still written in writing code,: >> ............ ..... <省 省 省> ............ ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ Lostar in Sun Jul 25 20:18:40 2004: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━ ☆ This is the development The experience of the person is more familiar with the tool, and Hijack can consult him. Ha ha [In Bird (Irrigation, don't disturb ...) mentioned:]: Where can I find these related tools? I haven't used it before, I plan to try it.
☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ ☆ Hijack at Sun Jul 25 20:19:40 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━ ☆ No supervision Some of us most useful is always the code specification in the Team CVS. Every Team is different [mentioned in the masterpiece of Frankcai (from the Shaolin Director to Yi Jing):]: We here Arch, I heard that Requirements are 25 years of software development experience (of course all are foreign countries): Calculate at least 79 years ago,: Just come to a Leader, Chinese, seem to be almost 20 years now,: He said he 95 start learning Java After a few years in the first line, of course, it is not in the first line. There are still 7 years of programming experience, and there are still some of them, there are some no code, but when REVIEW: Yes The main figures, the department established a group specialized standard (on the one hand is the standard,: Immediately, you can finally reach Peer Review) to lead: experience is mainly reflected in this time, is it still written in writing code? : >> .......................................... ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Frankcai at Sun Jul 25 20:15:36 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ ☆ For investment, I have recently feel very profound, I feel that the estimation of the project required for high quality software development has been too low, sometimes MS is eager to make it. Especially the Chinese people, very much like this (of course, smart and dryness is also an aspect :) But I feel this in fact is very dangerous to finish the obvious characteristic is the employee of Huawei's job, often work special, Leader said that this worship should do some research things first, then everyone will discuss how to design, next week we took a plan, but the next week, I said, I have finished, we all fainted. . Of course, personal ability may be an aspect, but the total feelings are people returning abroad usually like to follow the class. Step step slowly, and they don't like too much thing, afraid of being too big, in case failure the bottom line. It's not yet, and they usually like to consider that there are too many difficulties when I realize it, there is no very insurance program, and Huawei often says that this program cannot fail. Sometimes he is very good, you can live very fast, but I am always worried that he will have problems on the day. [In Bird (Irrigation, do not disturb ...), mention:]: I very agreed with you. the opinion of. : 1. There are few investment, less arrogant, huh, huh. : 2. Various forms of detarative REVIEW must be made, in fact, we don't have enough. : 3. Coding specification, there is, the effect is not particularly good, always in force, everyone is like this,: At this point, it may be necessary to pay attention to the strategy of management. It seems that everyone is not active enough.
: >> .......................................... ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ Hijack at Sun Jul 25 20:25:12 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ Talk about how the REVIEW is going to pass, how to pass? [In the masterpiece of Frankcai (from the Shaolin Director to Yi Jing):]: Moreover The standard is really a long process. It is not easy to do it. It is not easy to do. I personally feel that it is to avoid those common mistakes. In those typical situations: what should be done,: The REVIEW I did mainly Relying on people, relying on them in the development process: accumulated experience: It is better to do, there may be a longer in a technical field: development history,: >> ......... ................................................... ☆━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━ ☆ Bird on Sun Jul 25 20:28:36 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ C ? [In the masterpiece of MWONG (canned rice cake in the world):]: Jtest for Java Code ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━ ☆ Hijack at Sun Jul 25 20:28:01 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ Haha, I didn't dare to compliment, I didn't even feel it. I didn't even feel that you were a team. You should have your own Culture, I have designed icons for my Team. Slogan can see that Huawei is successful, because they put programmers to their culture to shape you too anxious, do not use it to your culture, you will definitely use A, so develop rhythm will definitely not consistent [In the masterpiece of Frankcai (from Shaolin Changkan to Yi Jing):]: For investment, I have recently experienced very profound, and I feel that the amount of the project required for high quality software development has always been too low. Work,: Sometimes MS is eager to make it, especially the Chinese people, very much like this (of course, smart and capable is also a side :): But I feel this fact is very dangerous: obvious The feature is the employee of Huawei Jumping.: Frequently working very fast, Leader said this week first: Do some research things, then everyone discusses how to design,: >> ........ ....... <省 以下 省>> ............ ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━ ☆ Frankcai at Sun Jul 25 20:27:06 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ ☆ I also Just come over, there is almost a meeting every day, but I discussed things that have content. If the REVIEW is a person's work, he will introduce him to the people who participated in the discussion. (The people responsible for Review is those experience very rich) People then start discussing, basically everyone knows that everyone knows the general process of the design results of him, (of course, I will try to listen to it, basically no constructive opinion can be mentioned) Those old master people will indicate the problems, propose to revise their opinions, some of the design of some troughs will be denied.
Then the following people go back to continue to modify, come out next time, then take the plan, until the boss feels technically OK, there is no problem, the design is basically like this, the REVIEW I haven't participated in the code, but MS this is quite Important, [In the masterpiece of Hijack (alone):]: Tell me how you have REVIEW: What is the result of Review?: >> ......... ..... <省 省 省> ............ ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ Adoal in Sun Jul 25 20:35:37 2004: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ 【in Hijack ( Monthly mentioned in the masterpiece:]: Haha, your employee recruitment period I did not dare to compliment: Take Huawei, I don't even feel that you are failure, you are a team, there should be Your own Culture,: To our Team designed icons and Slogan: It can be seen that Huawei is successful, because they put programmers to their culture to shape this unitely Huawei deliberately shaped it. . After all, Huawei is not a software company, and software develops the role of Huawei, such as the harbor from Huawei, and is not the same in the special software company.
The programmer in the harbor told me that the most complex data structure he used now is a linear array ... :): You are too urgent: I haven't put it to your culture, I dare to use A So development rhythm will definitely inconsistency: >> ..................................................................................................................................... ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ Hijack at Sun Jul 25 20:36:07 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ If you say, take time, time time == spent developer's passion, I have to feel, your institution may be a bit bloated. Since I did Code Review with CVS, I got an eclipse plugin and still disappeared, because I felt that the corresponding test code was OK, I need to modify the TODO tag [in Frankcai (from Shaolin In the masterpiece of the fist to Yi Jing, mentioned:]: I just came over, I have a meeting every day,: But I discussed something with content, if the REVIEW works, will let him take him the whole Process introduction to the person who participated in discussion,: (The person responsible for Review is those experienced and rich): Then everyone began to discuss, basically everyone knows that he does it: the general process of design results,: Of course, people like me are trying to listen, basically no constructive comments: Yes): >> ......................................................................... ........ ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ Frankcai at Sun Jul 25 20:36:02 The statement of 2004 is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ ☆ ☆ In the masterpiece of Hijack (alone):] : I said that the factors behind you have to elaborate: How much can the programmer experience inherited? (This is too small to understand the software industry, but I want to inherit the definiteness, it is quite very much. If there is a pulse in the technical field, it should be a lot of inheritance): You can weigh: 7 years of experience in 7 years: 5 years?%: 3 years?%: Also, I can't understand you Express, on your other hand, your quality mainly look at REVIEW: On the one hand, it is mainly to read the program's quality: What is the main look? I want REVIEW and programmers' quality is very important for software quality assurance, I There is a heavier expression in front. What I want, that is, the logic is wrong, the logic is not strict, but the landlord says some ways to ensure software quality, I certainly said that the REVIEW as an important process, because the programmer quality is not software development process Things (there is nothing too much vulnerability above above? : >> .............................................. ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ Lostar at Sun Jul 25 20:41:59 2004 statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━ ☆ These have their own practices, do not ask each Team to be consistent, a job is working in your Team, then you will do it, the opposite is not meeting.
So don't have to force [I mentioned in Hijack (I'm going to read one):]: If you say it, take time,: Time == Veader's passion: I have to feel, your institutions may be a bit Bloated: We have also done a Code Review in a period of time: I have made an Eclipse plugin: I still disappeared, because I think I feel ok: Todo's label:> > ....................................................... ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Hijack at Sun Jul 25 20:43:46 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ KISS I don't know if there is a developer who likes every day? If there is, come out? I am more curious [I mentioned in the masterpiece of lostar@createsun.com) :】: These have their own practices, do not require each Team to be consistent: A job is in your problem, then you will do it, the opposite will not.
So don't have to force: >> ................. <省 省 省 省> ............ ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ Lostar at Sun Jul 25 20:47:10 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ━ ☆ I like to meet, but I am not a developer, haha, but it is estimated that I will meet every day, I am also very uncomfortable, it is estimated that it will not be high in quality [ Hijack (alone) masterpiece mentioned:]: kiss: I don't know if there is a developer who likes every day?: If there is, come out to exchange?: I am more curious ☆ ━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━ ☆ Frankcai at Sun Jul 25 20:43:52 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ━━━ ☆ [In the masterpiece of Hijack (alone):]: If you say it, take time, you need more time Invest, but as I am in the current feeling, this should be worth: spent time == Veader's passion, first, I want to invest more time is not equal to what you said "Time", MS I didn't see it The developer has no passion, I have to feel that your agencies may be a bit bloated. My feelings, high quality software may exactly need a lot of investment to ensure that they can make it, reduce the risk, I used to develop the software development The estimation of the project is too low (very likely you are also) of course, there may be different pressure and limitations in different projects, especially the time limit caused by market factors, etc .: We have also done Code Review for a while : Use CVS to make an eclipse plugin: Later, still disappeared, because I feel that I feel OK: I need to modify the TODO tag: >> ........ ......... 省 省 省> ............ ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━ ☆ Hijack at Sun Jul 25 20:50:07 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ Do you have a product? [In the masterpiece of Frankcai (from Shaolin Changkan to Yi Jing):]: It takes more time to invest, but as far as I do, this should be worth it: First, I Want to invest more time Is waiting for the "time", MS I didn't see: The developer has no passion, and my feelings, high quality software may exactly need a lot of investment to ensure that it can be made,: Reduce risk,: >> .............................................. ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ADOAL at Sun Jul 25 20:44:33 2004: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ [In the masterpiece of Frankcai (from Shaolin Changkan to Yi Jing):]: (This I have a little less about the software industry, but I want to inherit affirmation. Still very much,: If there is a pulse in the technical field, it should be a lot of inheritance) experience inheritance is not more than two ways. First, in practice, the ears are passed, just like the teachers in the process. First, it is systematic, theoretical, and literary.
If a developing team is not stable enough, there are very few proportions of people who have experience in work experience, then there is a big problem in the way, and a master's own experience has accumulated that it may slip, Two could have been doing Master, maybe I haven't reached the realm of Master,: p is a systematic way ... systemized itself is more time than the direct experience, more than ten Chief of PMICROSoft Architect, most of them have worked in MS for more than ten years or even people close to the same age. : >> .......................................... ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ Frankcai at Sun Jul 25 20:49:00 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Well, what you said may be, because I often say that when I have a colleague to open Outlook, I will meet again! However, here is indeed the same as I am in the previous concept, and I really have a very real content every discussion, there is Leader's guidance, but also play the strength of Team, everyone contributes their own ideas, no matter Whether it is correct, [I don't know if there is a developer who likes to meet every day here?: If there is, come out to exchange?: I am more curious ☆ ━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ Frankcai at Sun Jul 25 20:51:22 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Yes, Inventor, 3D Machinery Design Software, if you don't know, you don't know if you are 3dmax or autocad, that is another The department is done, and the use of 3DMAX is more, I don't know how the development process of their sectors is not known, but I think there is a company that should be too big, [in Hijack (alone, one) masterpiece mentioned: 】: Do you make a product? ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Hijack in Sun Jul 25 20:53:43 2004 : ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ ━, I don't mean your company, I have no right, I am unaware I don't know if I have a point of view: I can do things in the simple way. May our Team is much smaller than you. Because it is simply for us, it is highly efficient [in Frankcai (from Shaolin Director to Yi Jing Jing) Referring to:]: Well, what you said may be true, because I saw that there is a colleague to open Outlook, often,: meeting! : However, here is indeed the same as I am in the previous concept,: Really every discussion has a very real content,: There is Leader's pointing, and also playing the power of Team,: Everyone contributes yourself Idea, whether it is correct,: >> .................................... ☆ ━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━ ☆ Frankcai at Sun Jul 25 20:55:36 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ [In the masterpiece of Adoal (isn't CMB Crazy?):]: The inheritance of experience is nothing more than two ways, one is In practice, the euro is transmitted, as is the technicians in the process of technology, one is systematic, theoretical, and text: Passing from the later generation.
: If a developing team is not stable enough, there are many years of work experience: the proportion of people, there is a big problem, then the way the mouth is passing,: A Master's own experience has accumulated not long time I may slip Fall, two: >> ................................................ ☆ ━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ Lostar at Sun Jul 25 20:56:26 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ That is, you need to mention the knowledge management of the company. . . The following is the result of the following 6 contents: (1) Basic measures for knowledge management: It is the support part of knowledge management, such as database, knowledge base, multi-library coordination system, network, etc. basic technical means and people A variety of contact channels, etc .; (2) Restructuring of corporate business processes: The purpose is to make the company's knowledge resources form a smooth-free knowledge stream on the knowledge chain, so that every employee is gaining related knowledge At the same time, you can contribute your own knowledge, experience and expertise for companies; (3) Method of knowledge management: content management, document management, record management, communication management, etc .; (4) acquisition and retrieval of knowledge: including various Software application tools, such as intelligent object retrieval, multi-policy acquisition, multi-mode acquisition, and retrieval, multi-method multi-level acquisition and retrieval, network search tool, etc .; (5) delivery: such as establishing a knowledge distribution map, electronic document, CD, DVD and online transmission, printing, etc. (6) Sharing and evaluation of knowledge: If a good corporate culture, encourage employees to participate in knowledge sharing, establish knowledge management, promote knowledge conversion, and establish an evaluation regulations for knowledge generation benefits Wait. How to conduct knowledge management is the theory and practical problem we must solve. To this end, we regard the business process as a closely connected supply chain and divide the company into several support subsystems that cooperate with each other. Designed to establish a corporate knowledge base system with knowledge production, distribution, exchange, acquisition, use as the main line, and establish a corporate knowledge base system. The system also includes non-knowledge resource subsystems, financial operation subsystems, supplies subsystems, manufacturing subsystems, service maintenance subsystems, engineering techniques, marketing subsystems. [In the masterpiece of Adoal (Isn't CMB Crazy?):]: The inheritance of experience is nothing more than two ways. First, in practice, the ears are passed, as the teachers in the crafts, one It is systematic, theoretical, and text: Passing from the later generation.
: If a developing team is not stable enough, there are many years of work experience: the proportion of people, there is a big problem, then the way the mouth is passing,: A Master's own experience has accumulated not long time I may slip Fall, two: >> ................................................ ☆ ━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Adoal in Sun Jul 25 20:57:39 2004: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ Sometimes, the complexity of a certain aspect is for the other hand,: P [mentioned in the masterpiece of Hijack:]: Oh, I don't mean your company, I have no right, I don't know: I don't know if I have a point of view :: Use the simple way: Maybe we teame more than yours: Because Simple is efficient to us: >> ................. <省 省 省>> ............ ☆ ━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━ ☆ Hijack at Sun Jul 25 20:59:14 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Well, reason, this is package, then provide simple interface, huh, huh [In the masterpiece of Adoal (isn't cmbhazy?): 】: Sometimes, the complexity of a certain aspect is for the simple summary,: p ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ ADOAL in Sun Jul 25 21:00:37 2004: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ and for different workload For different complex tasks, which way the price is smaller is also a specific analysis. [In the masterpiece of Hijack (alone) mentioned:]: Well, reason, this is package, then provide simple interface, huh, huh ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Frankcai at Sun Jul 25 20:59:49 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ Oh, maybe my understanding is incorrect, I don't know if Hijack's inheritance is what you said or I said, I said that inheritance refers to a person itself, he has done a lot in this field. In the year, you will accumulate some experience. He can keep it yourself after seeing other people's design, code, etc. you can reserve it. You can quickly distinguish between excellent and poor MS. The main thing is the main thing, you said The inheritance is from one person to another one. I don't know much about this department, this department is established in China. I haven't been more than a year. I haven't been a month. The main still is the main point of mouth Mainly, but there are some training and some text-sized things, [mentioned in the masterpiece of Adoal (isn't CMB Crazy?):]: The inheritance of experience is nothing more than two ways, one is in practice The ear is transmitted, as is the technicians in the process of crafts, one is systematic, theoretical, and text: Passing from the later generation.
: If a developing team is not stable enough, there are many years of work experience: the proportion of people, there is a big problem, then the way the mouth is passing,: A Master's own experience has accumulated not long time I may slip Fall, two: >> ................................................ ☆ ━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ Hijack in Sun Jul 25 21:05:24 2004: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ ADOAL and I express a meaning [mentioned in the masterpiece of Frankcai (from Shaolin Changkan to Yi Jing Jing):]: Oh, maybe my Understand,: I don't know if Hijack's inheritance is what you said,: I said that inheritance refers to a person itself, he has done a lot of experience in this field, will accumulate some experience,: These experiences he can keep the design, code: I will be useful, you can distinguish the excellent and bad: MS is the main thing about these experiences now, the inheritance is from this experience. A person inherits to another person,: This is not very clear, this department is established in China for more than a year,: >> ............... The following omitted> ........... ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━ ☆ Adoal at Sun Jul 25 21:12:35 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━ ☆ Well.
So there is still experienced, HOHO [in the masterpiece of Hijack (alone):]: This ...: rational analysis granularity can not go out: product has market pressure: do engineering has customer pressure: do Open source also has market stress ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━ ☆ Frankcai at Sun Jul 25 21:13:31 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━ ━ ☆ [Hijack (Lonely Reading One) Master:]: No Supervision, Standard It's all dog fart: the standard of the people who work in the first line is also the same as a shit. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ This I don't dare to agree, he has always written code, knows the common problems of writing code, although he is not the first line now, I think the standard is still guiding Is it? What do you think is that you have never been working in the first line? : Only for ISO, etc.: We are most useful to be in Team CVS code specification: each Team is different: >> ............... The following omitted> ............ ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━ ☆ Frankcai at Sun Jul 25 21:16:14 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆━━━━ ☆ ☆ I don't know why you mention this inheritance ? Is this inheritance difficulty? How do you rely on his own experienced experience? [In the masterpiece of Hijack (alone):]: adoal and I express a meaning: >> ......................................................................... ........ ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━ ☆ ☆ Hijack at Sun Jul 25 21:34:39 The statement of 2004 is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ ☆ This can be seen a lot of things;) [in Frankcai (From Shaolin Changkan to Yi Jing), mention:]: I don't know why you mention this inheritance? : Is this inheritance difficulty? Don't rely on his own rich experiences directly? ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ Hijack at Sun Jul 25 21:35:28 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ Today, a classmate in Suzhou, told me a word: the boss will make mistakes .. I am not saying that this standard is not good, I have to think about it as a red book, if I put it in wiki or everyone can come, I will feel good [in Frankcai (from Shaolin) The long boxing to Yi Jingjing is mentioned in the masterpiece:】: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ This I don't dare to agree, he has always written code, knows the common problems of writing code,: Although he is not the first line, I think the standard is still guiding. ? : I think what you said is that the person who has never worked in the first line is a dog. : >> .............................................................................................................................................
............ ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ Artwalker at Sun Jul 25 22:54 : 05 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━ ☆ Recommend a [Hijack (Lonely Reading) masterpiece It will be mentioned:: Go to subscribe to the open source project developer Mailist or participate in the development: you will feel it yourself: PS: Our users don't have ideal, but we still use Use story tracking system ☆ ━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━ ☆ Artwalker at Sun Jul 25 22:57:18 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Where are you now? It seems to be a cattle company [mentioned in the masterpiece of Frankcai (from Shaolin Changkan to Yi Jing):]: Our Arch here, I heard that the requirements of the 25-year software development experience (of course all abroad): Calculate at least 79 years ago,: Just came to a Leader, Chinese, it seems to be almost 20 years now, he said that he didn't learn Java in 95, and did a few years in the first line, of course, it is not in the first line. : There are still some of the 7-year programming experience and still have some,: There are some no code, but when REVIEW: is the main character, department establishment team specializes in standard (on the one hand is the standard,: Different hope It can eventually reach Peer Review. It is also necessary to lead: Experience is mainly reflected in this time, is it still written in writing code,: >> ............. .. However, this is only limited to the theoretical level, in practice, when a profit is relatively rich,: >> ............................. ............ ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ Lazycoder at Mon Jul 26 10:12 : 30 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Agree, but the problem is that the upper manager Quality If the manager cannot decent enough permissions, it is very incompetent to use each bar frame and PM is very incompetent. Everything needs to use a better way in the back of the CODER. (Lostar@createsun.com) is mentioned in the masterpiece:]: Improve prices is one of the ways to improve quality: If a project is two or three people, excellent programmers play a lower than software engineering. : At this time, people are an important factor in determining software quality. : Most of the money, use high quality developers, it is a good way. : >> .......................................... ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ Lazycoder in Mon Jul 26 10:14:48 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ ☆ [In Bird (in Irrigation, do not disturb ...) mentioned in the masterpiece:]: Title: Re: Old words reprifiament: Software quality assurance during development : Send a letter: Sun Jul 25 17:58:58 2004), transfer:: Yes, test is definitely unable to be less. It is not true that it is indeed, in this regard, the tester is different from the programmer's view, and they do provide some constructive comments and suggestions. :: Now I mean, do not consider the problem of ideas, pure technology development,: How to guarantee quality. :: Get a Naive example, a while loop, if there is a semicolon behind the conditions,: I think that even if there is an experienced programmer, I don't want to guarantee such a mistake in the process of the code,: However, if submitted in this code, the code is checked by another programmer,: even single step tracking debugging, the probability left by this problem is small. You are related to the programming style if you use while () {} instead of while () {} I think this question will not happen? Therefore, in software development, the team adopts unified. Of course, the REVIEW code is also very important, but the efficiency of Review should be very low, I am now very important to the company, but PM has not found a suitable person to give me the REVIEW code, completely rely on myself. I think that the program should improve the efficiency of Coding and Review, but have not tried, because the cost of the program is also very high. :: Of course, this example belongs to extreme primary errors, and general programmers will carefully debug will find it. : I just want to pass this instructions, we can improve quality from some management perspectives. :: After all, each programmer is limited, you can't expect all the people to become excellent overnight. ::::: -: ═╮═╬═══╬═ ║ ╠═══════╯╭══╦═╦══╮: ╰ ╭═╮╭═╮ ╰══╮║╭ ══╯╯║ ║ ║ ║ ╰══╩═╩══╯: ═╮ ╰═╯╰═╯ ╭╯║╰╮ ╬═╬═╬═╬ ╰══╣ ╠══╯: ╰╭╯ ══╬═╯ ╭╯ ║ ╰╮ ═╩═╩═╩═╩═╰══╣ ╠══╯: ╭ ║══╬═╯╰╯ ║ ╰╯ ║ ║ ║ ║ ╰══╣ ╠═ ═╯: ═╯ ╯══╩═╯ ╰╯ ╯ ╯ ╰ ╰ ╰ ╯ ╯:: ※ Source: · Water cloud room freecity.cn · [from: bird] ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Lazycoder in Mon Jul 26 10:19:22 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Must be with a group of outstanding people to do so otherwise the system is designed to be completely unit test requirements I now want to add a Unit Test in the existing system. Very difficult because there is not enough interface to support [Hijack (alone, one) masterpiece mentioned:]: UNIT TEST Nightly Build: The test result is in the MEMEBER's mailbox: OpenSource is doing this: We Also trying to do Auto Nighly Build: >> ..................................................................................................................................................................... ━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━ ☆ ☆ Lazycoder at Mon Jul 26 10:20:52 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ ☆,, 回 上 上 上 文 文 文 文 文 文 文 文 文 文 文 文 文 文 文 文 文 文 文 文 文 文 文 文 文 文 文 文There is no more programming environment :) [In the masterpiece of Hijack, mention:]: Let me think of the article of Bea, haha: Talk about your XP pair, we see some shortcomings ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Lazycode R on MON JUL 26 10:24:01 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ This is very frustrated I want to be Coding after 7 years, but I think I am sure because the environment is forced to do management, or other things, although these are what I like :) [in hijack (alone) In the masterpiece:]: A programmer having a 7-year programming experience (now still writing the program) How much?: How much is it in 5 years?: How much is 3 years?: >> .... ......................................................... ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ Lazycoder in Mon Jul 26 10:28:13 2004's statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━ ☆ MS China's programmer is not lazy, 嘿嘿 【【【【【【【【【少 林 长 到 到 经 经 经 经 经 经 经】】 软件 软件The project required for development: The estimate has been too low, and sometimes MS can also make it, especially the Chinese people, very much like this (of course, smart and capable is also an aspect :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) But I feel that this is actually very dangerous: obvious character is the employee of Huawei's hopping, often work special fast, Leader said this week first: Do some research things, Then everyone discusses how to design,: >> ......................................................................................................................................... ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Lazycoder at Mon Jul 26 10:32:02 2004: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ That day YY told me, I forgot: (Shanghai a company [in the masterpiece of Artwalker. " : Where are you doing now? It looks like a cattle: >> ............................................................................. ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━ ☆ Lostar at Mon Jul 26 10:53:24 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━ ☆ ☆ Developers should include PM and CODERs, actually, I am more advocating such a small team, don't die, I promoted the division of labor. All aspects have a person responsible. And PM is not leadership, just responsible for some plans and other work. Just saw a sentence called "The world is rising, my responsibility", everyone has a good completion project, this The project team will be more combat. [In the masterpiece of Lazycoder (unmarried man):]: Agree, but there is a problem that the quality of the upper manager: If the manager can't decent enough permissions, Each bar frame is constrained: and PM is also very incompetent, everything needs to use a better method in the back of the CODER: So, I think there is no use of CODER again.: >> ......... ...... 省 以下 省>> ........... ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━ ☆ Lazycoder in Mon Jul 26 10:59:15 2004's statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━ ☆ [in Lostar (Lostar@createsun.com) mentioned in the masterpiece:]: Developers should include PM and CODER: In fact, I am more advocated to die such a small team,: I advocate the division of labor, all aspects have a person It is responsible for it.: And PM is not a leader, just responsible for some plans and other work. Just saw a sentence called "The world is rising, my responsibility" MS can only ask himself, if P M, you have to say "the world is prosperous, everyone's responsibility" I want to be bad, but only a CODER thinks so, of course, what does you think so? I think this should be the embodiment of the management capabilities of PM: Everyone has done with excellent completion projects, this project team will be more combat. : >> .......................................... ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ Lostar at MON JUL 26 11:04:59 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Now emphasizes Team Work, 3 people, if it is one of the two, I feel that it is worse than three people are a team. Of course, the premise is that members are high quality. [In the masterpiece of Lazycoder (unmarried man):]: This sentence MS can only ask yourself, if you have a PM, you have a hard to say "the world is rising, everyone's responsibility": I want to do it well , And just a CODER thinks so, of course, it is not good: Do you have any way to make each CODER think so? I think this should be the embodiment of PM management capabilities: >> ..................................................................................................... ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ Lazycoder at Mon Jul 26 11:07:18 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━ ☆ [Lostar@createsun.com] mentioned in the masterpiece:]: TEAM WORK, 3 people now, if It is one of the two, I feel that it is worse than three people: it is a team to come better. Of course, the premise is that members are high quality. This premise is too ideal, how many people can generally recruit? ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━ ☆ ☆ Lazydog at Mon Jul 26 12:14:44 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━ ☆ is Autodesk, you are a soil, such a company can't remember [in Lazycoder (unmarried man) In the masterpiece:]: That day YY said with me, I forgot: (Shanghai a company ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━ ☆ Artwalker at Mon Jul 26 12:29:46 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ ☆ ☆狂AdmiRe mentioned in the masterpiece of Lazydog (wandering lazy dog):]: It is autodesk, you have a soil, such a cow × company can't remember ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ Lazycoder in Mon Jul 26 12:39:04 2004: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ ☆ ☆? I don't know [I don't know "in the masterpiece of lazydog (lazy dog) mentioned:]: It is autodesk, you are a soil, such a cow × company Live ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━ ☆ Westmoon at Mon Jul 26 15:22:04 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━ ☆ Do AutoCAD ... [In the masterpiece of Lazycoder (unmarried man):]: Is this company dry? I don't know ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ Frankcai at Mon Jul 26 18:35:05 2004 The statement: ☆ ━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ Propaganda for the company:) Autodesk is the world's leading digital design software and digital content providers, her and MS is the only software company that has survived more than 20 years. The company has a lot of products. The most famous is the autocad and 3dmax. Now Shanghai is also the product of the products [Lazycoder (unmarried man). Mentioned:]: Is this company dried? I don't know ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Hijack at Mon Jul 26 18:51:52 2004 The statement: ☆ ━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ ^ _ ^, I seem to say the world's leading Joke [in Frankcai (from Shaolin The masterpiece of Yuli Jing is mentioned:]: Propaganda for the company :): Autodesk is the world's leading digital design software and digital content providers,: She and MS are only two of the world survived more than 20 years Software company:: The company has a lot of products, the most famous, I'm autocad and 3dmax,: Now Shanghai is also a product here, ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ ☆ Huangxuhao at Mon Jul 26 18:52:14 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━ ☆ Good, but Autodesk MS has a technical blockade of the mainland [mentioned in the masterpiece of Frankcai (from Shaolin Changkan to Yi Jing):]: Propaganda for the company :): Autodesk is the world's leading digital design software And digital content providers,: She and MS are only two software companies that have survived for more than 20 years. The company has a lot of products. The most famous is AutoCAD and 3Dmax. Now Shanghai is also a product here. ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ MWONG in Mon Jul 26 18:54:13 2004's statement: ☆ ━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Your company this year's performance is very good :) [In the masterpiece of Frankcai (from Shaolin Director to Yi Jing) It will be mentioned:]: For the company's propaganda :): Autodesk is the world's leading digital design software and digital content providers,: She and MS are only two software companies that have survived more than 20 years,: company products Amough, the most famous, I'm autocad and 3dmax. Now Shanghai is also a product here. ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━ ☆ Huangxuhao at Mon Jul 26 18:53:52 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ ☆ Promotion, our company I like to use the "Asia Pacific" ... Hijack (alone) masterpiece mentioned:】: ^ _ ^, it seems that the company said the world's leading: Joke ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ Lazydog at Mon Jul 26 19:07:52 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━ ☆ cow DD, I mentioned me in the future [Frankcai (from the Shaolin Dafan to Yi Jing Jing) masterpiece:]: Propaganda for the company :): Autodesk is the world's leading digital design software and digital content provider,: She and MS is a software company that has survived more than 20 years. The company has a lot of products. The most famous is probably autocad and 3dmax. Now Shanghai is also a product here. ☆ ━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ Frankcai at Mon Jul 26 19:49:50 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Halo, I don't know what extent, I mentioned in Artwalker. Essence:]: Cold: mad Admire ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ Frankcai at Mon Jul 26 19:52:14 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━ ☆ Well, there must be a share is cool [mentioned in the masterpiece of Mwong (canned rice cake in the world) :]: Your company this year's performance is very good:) ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Frankcai at Mon Jul 26 19:58 : 42 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ I am going to go out: ([【 Lazydog's masterpiece mentioned in the masterpiece:]: Cow DD, I will recruit me in the future ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━ ☆ ADOAL at Mon Jul 26 20:10:41 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ Almost People call 3ds MAX into 3D max ...: P [mentioned in the masterpiece of Frankcai (from Shaolin Changkan to Yi Jing):]: Propaganda for the company :): Autodesk is the world's leading digital design software and Digital content providers,: She and MS are only two software companies in the world who have survived for more than 20 years. There are many companies, the most famous, I'm autocad and 3dmax,: Now Shanghai is also a product ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ MWONG in Mon Jul 26 20:23:17 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━ ☆ Do you do product development? [Frankcai (from the Shaolin Director to Yi Jing Jing) mentioned:]: Well, there must be a share is cool to die ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━ ☆ Hijack at Mon Jul 26 20:34:16 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ above, doing products [mentioned in the masterpiece of Mwong (canned rice cake in the world):]: Do you do product development? ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ ☆ MWONG in Mon Jul 26 20:37:23 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━ ☆ Know, There are also different Role in the product Team [mentioned in the masterpiece of Hijack (alone):]: The above is said, product ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Artwalker at Mon Jul 26 21:11:28 2004 statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━ ☆ Friends is playing 3DS 4.0 long [in the masterpiece of ADOAL (ISN't CMB Crazy?):]: Almost everyone called 3Ds MAX into 3D Max ...: p ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Lazycoder in Tue Jul 27 09:06:05 2004: ☆ ━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ So I admire Ni ~ [In the masterpiece of Artwalker (intuitional artist.):]: Doll Is playing 3DS 4.0 grew up ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━ ☆ Marong in Tue Jul 27 10:17:35 2004 As follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━ ━━━━ ☆ Who said? ? Esri has been survive for 30 years. GIS software began in 1975. World Total Number No. Geographic Information System provides [mentioned in the masterpiece of Frankcai (from Shaolin Changkan to Yi Jing):]: Propaganda for the company :): Autodesk is the world's leading digital design software and digital content providers,: She and MS are software companies that have survived more than 20 years. The company has a lot of products. The most famous is probably autocad and 3dmax. Now Shanghai is also a product here. ☆ ━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ Lionheart at Tue Jul 27 11:45:27 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━ ☆ 1) Rotation Programming: A person can not program more than three days 2) Daily Review: The second time I found that the same mistake button is pm3) Two days of meeting: Calibration Scheme 4) Every three days Build5) Shadow Team: Keep the pressure on the current team [In Bird (Irrigation, do not disturb ...) masterpiece:】 Recently During the development process, the problem of software quality seems to become more serious. : The most direct performance is the product submitted to the user, even the trial, BUG a lot. : If you look back, it is actually analyzed from the initial demand, system design ..., a final code, test, although it is based on the class, but it feels in the form. : Of course, this will inevitably lead to a decline in the final software quality, even bad. : The truth of software engineering is understanding, but the project is tight,: Direct consequence is that the development cycle is sharply compressed, all programmers, testers are driving. So, I know that if I really want to solve the problem of software quality, I must start from this regard. However, this is only limited to the theoretical level, in practice, when a profit is relatively rich,: >> ............................. ............ [Home, Previous, Next] Catalog] 4.3 I want to say some words ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ Hijack in Tue Jul 27 21:14:52 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ ☆ I am a programmer, very ordinary, the kind of one who doesn't know anything on the street. Perhaps the same as everyone I also like technology, like challenge, or even "metamorphosis", I like to have some feelings, I am not all right. I will talk about the procedure of the programmer I understand: Technical pursuit -> problem domain Analysis -> Problem Domain Modeling -> Create your own technology, I think I will talk to everyone, I don't deny it, this is a must experience, because this is the capital accumulation. But What I want to say is: Don't blindly accumulate. When you feel that the technology accumulates to a certain level, if you can take a development team's main force, I think everyone should consider entering a problem domain. Think about it, your technology can What is the problem of solving those problem domains, how is the market prospects of these issues, you are interested in these issues. Consider the value of these issues is not asia 's pursuit of a technology, I have a skill, compare technology, I prefer methodology, that is, the few stages behind "Technical Pursuit" ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━ ☆ MWong in Tue Jul 27 21:34:43 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ How to help Create your own technology? What is the degree of investment in the problem domain? Is it enough to rely on these investment? [In the masterpiece of Hijack (alone):]: I am a programmer, very ordinary, walk to the kind of one who doesn't know on the street. Perhaps the same as everyone, I also like technology, like Challenge, and even "metamorphosis", you like some of my love, not all.: Let me talk about the procedure of the programmer I understand :: Technical pursuit -> problem domain analysis -> problem Domain Modeling -> Create your own technology: Suddenly, I think I will take advantage of the technical pursuit of technology, I don't deny it, this is the experience, because this is the capital accumulation.: But I think I want Say: Don't blindly accumulate. When you feel that the technology is accumulated to a certain level, if you can: bear a development team's main force, I think everyone should consider entering a problem domain. Think about it, you: >> .................................................. ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Hijack at Tue Jul 27 21:37:43 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ I have not finished all, but it seems that it is endless, look at the current JSR, but it is not only technically, even it is modeled in the problem domain. As long as you are proficient in a problem domain, you will definitely find the shortcomings of the model. At that time, it is not difficult to write your own things, and Javaspace is actually a new technology, just to solve the problem. The technology is mentioned in the masterpiece of MWONG (canned rice cake in the human):]: How can the two phases of the problem domain help to create your own technology? : Create technology needs how much investment in the problem domain? : Is it enough to rely on these investment? : >> ............................................................................................................................................. ............ ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ Hijack at Tue Jul 27 21:42 : 56 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━ ☆ ☆ Many of the projects of Jakarta are the code of the question domain expert donation [ In the masterpiece of Hijack:]: I have not finished it, but it seems to be iterative: The problem domain can be said to be endless, look at the current JSR, it is not only related to technology ,: Even in the problem domain. As long as you are proficient in a problem domain, you will definitely find the current model: defect, then use existing technology to write your own things, it is not a difficult thing: so than Jini, JavaSpace actually Not new technologies, just to solve the problem of specialization technology: >> ......................................... ☆ ━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ MWONG in Tue Jul 27 21:44:16 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ 你 ☆ What is the definition of "problem domain"? [In the masterpiece of Hijack (alone), I mentioned:] I didn't finish the whole, but it seems to be iterated: the problem domain can be said to be exhausted, look at the current JSR, it is not only involved Technology,: Even in the problem domain. As long as you are proficient in a problem domain, you will definitely find the model: defect, at that time, it is not difficult to write your own things: it is better than Jini, Javaspace actually Not new technologies, just to solve the problem of specialization technology: >> ......................................................................................................... ☆ ━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Hijack at Tue Jul 27 21:48:15 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ I don't want to go to Google's definition to talk about my own understanding, don't give me a point 1. The problem domain is granular. 2. Problem domain has industry background, is the so-called professional knowledge barrier 3. The problem should have corresponding solutions [in the masterpiece of Mwong (canned rice cake):】 : What is your definition of "problem domain"? ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Hijack in Tue Jul 27 21:55:39 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━ ☆ ☆ Waiting for the opportunity to mature, I think 88 can open a DomailModel sector to discuss software modeling of different issues [Hijack In the masterpiece mentioned:]: I don't want to go to Google's definition: Talk about my own understanding, don't give me it: 1. The problem domain is granular.: 2. Problem domain Industrial background is the so-called professional knowledge barrier: 3. The problem should have a corresponding solution ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ MWONG in Tue Jul 27 21:53:29 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ Nothing is huh I just want to first determine the discussion of the following discussion based on the same problem, I want to know the problem, I want to know the problem domain, especially the second point, how to help the technological innovation help This question asked me today, how is AOP to apply in the telecommunications industry, I suddenly went out because the technology in my concept is generally [Hijack (alone) on the masterpiece:]: I don't want to go to Google's definition: Talk about my own Understand, don't give me: 1. The problem domain is granular.: 2. Problem domain has industry background, is the so-called professional knowledge barrier: 3. Problem domain should have corresponding solution ☆ ━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ Hijack in Tue Jul 27 21:59:55 2004: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ ☆, go back to Swear talking about their projects I don't know if they are their business secrets. They intend to build a distributed WEAVE system. , Huh, then the client's code can reduce the problem, I want to have answered. I want a technology to save energy because she solves the specific problem so the inspiration of technological innovation, coming from you to the problem domain. [ In the masterpiece of Mwong (canned rice cake in the world):]: Nothing is not right,: I just want to first determine the next discussion based on the same understanding of the problem: Go back to the previous question, I want Knowing the problem domain, especially the second point, how is it helps technological innovation: The reason why I ask this question: Today, someone asks me, how is AOP in the telecommunications industry, I suddenly 懵: Because I concept The technology is generally existed across problems: >> ..................................................................................... ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━ ━━ ☆ ☆ Hijack in Tue Jul 27 22:06:16 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ The experience is not enough: (AspectWerkz's Founder is only Senior Software Engineer sweat, "in Swear (Dharma) The masterpiece mentioned:]: Come to do research, Haha: >> ............................................................................................................................. ☆ ━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ ☆ MWONG in Tue Jul 27 22:07:16 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Khan ... Let's talk about the definition of "technology"? I understand the technology is not solved " "The problem, but can solve a bunch of problems such as Grid, can be used in education, medical, finance ..., such as J2EE, the same as the problem domain is orthogonal, this example is a Solution? [In the masterpiece of Hijack:]: Khan, I just talked to SWEAR and talking to their project: I don't know if they are commercial secrets: they intend to build a distributed weave system, huh, huh The client's code can: decrease a lot: that problem, I want to answer. I want a technology to save energy: because she solves the specific problem: So the inspiration of technological innovation, comes from your understanding of the problem : >> ................. <省 以下 省>> ........... ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Hijack in Tue Jul 27 22:12:01 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Correct Specifications ---> A class of granularity I said is definitely better than you understand [in the masterpiece of Mwong (canned rice cake):] : Khan. . . Let's talk about the definition of "technology"? : The technology I understand is not to solve the "specific" problem, but can solve a bunch of problems: such as grid, can be used in education, medical, finance ...:, for example, J2EE, the same as the problem is orthogonal : This example is more Solution? : >> .......................................... ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ Nimbus in Tue Jul 27 22:35:37 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Doing technical consultation, based on technology, with industry knowledge as the background, both combined with the basic conditions of the occupation are complete, at least more direction. [In the masterpiece of Hijack (alone):]: I am a programmer, very ordinary, walk to the kind of one who doesn't know on the street. Perhaps the same as everyone, I also like technology, like Challenge, and even "metamorphosis", you like some of my love, not all.: Let me talk about the procedure of the programmer I understand :: Technical pursuit -> problem domain analysis -> problem Domain Modeling -> Create your own technology: Suddenly, I think I will take advantage of the technical pursuit of technology, I don't deny it, this is the experience, because this is the capital accumulation.: But I think I want Say: Don't blindly accumulate. When you feel that the technology is accumulated to a certain level, if you can: bear a development team's main force, I think everyone should consider entering a problem domain. Think about it, you: >> .................................................. ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ Jackle at the WED JUL 28 00:01:13 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ ☆ I think it seems that the system is not properly analyzed and modeling, and some solutions are domain, and they can communicate with each other in several similar areas. It should be because there is some The implementation experience in the field is the best of the cowby bar [in the masterpiece of Hijack (alone):]: I am a programmer, very ordinary, walking to the street, I don't know anyone.: Perhaps and Like everyone, I also like technology, like to challenge, even "metamorphosis", I like the problem. The following is some of my love, not all.: Let me talk about the procedure of the program I understand :: Technical pursuit -> Problem Domain Analysis -> Problem Domain Modeling -> Create your own technology: Suddenly, I think I will take advantage of this technology, I don't deny that this is the experience, because this It is the capital accumulation.: But I want to say: Don't blindly cost the technology. When you think the technology is accumulated to a certain level, such as when you can: take a development team's main force, I think everyone should consider entering a problem. Domain. Think about it, you: >> ............... <省 以下 省>> ............ ☆ ━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ Hijack in the WED JUL 28 00:19:48 2004: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ In fact, I want to focus on the meaning of: don't always follow the technology of others, don't numb it. Slow, we can also create our technology [in Jackle (sleeping sleep ~~ windforce) mentioned in the masterpiece:]: I think it seems to be in the field of technical points: but the system analysis and modeling and some: Solutions are domain sexy or: in a few similar areas can be interoperable: CONSULTING should be because: there is a certain field implementation experience, so you can be bull rather than bar: >> ......... ................................................... ☆━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━ ☆ Hijack in the WED JUL 28 00:23:12 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ ☆ It is not deliberate to divide, or deliberately pursuing like Oberg, I have become CMS EXPERT. I may grasp it, I feel interested in it. But this time is very short, some people are very long [in hijack The masterpiece mentioned in the masterpiece:]: In fact, I want to express the main expression :: Don't always follow the technology of others, don't numb: actually slowly, we can also create our technology: >>. ......................................................... ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Lazycoder in the WED JUL 28 08:58:32 2004: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ ☆ This is interested in interest, in fact, you are just a direction of programmer development, A small direction [in the masterpiece of Hijack (alone) mentioned:]: I am a programmer, very ordinary, walking to the top of the street. You may be the same as everyone, I also I really like technology, like challenge, even "metamorphosis", I'm doing some of my feelings, not all.: Let me talk about the road of programmers I understand :: Technical pursuit -> problem domain Analysis -> Problem Domain Modeling -> Create your own technology: Suddenly, I think I will take this technology to pursue this,: I don't deny it, this is going to experience, because this is the capital accumulation But I want to say: Don't blindly cost. When you feel that technology accumulate to a certain level, if you can: take a development team's main force, I think everyone should consider entering a problem domain. Think about it, You: >> ........................................................... ☆━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ Gzhzjk in the WED JUL 28 08:57:31 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━ ☆ Strong RE, at least in Java, I feel that there are not many things in China, maybe it is too much programmer who is consumed by the project, maybe technology The progress is too fast, let us follow all the masterpieces in Hijack (alone):]: In fact, I want to focus on the main expression :: Don't always follow others, don't numb : In fact, slowly, we can also create our technology: >> ......................................... ☆ ━━━━━ 发 ━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Hijack in the WED JUL 28 09:05:47 2004: ☆ ━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ [In the masterpiece of Gzhzjk (Chandler):]: Strong RE, at least in Java, feel China has a lot of things, it seems that there are too many programs that are consumed by the project, maybe it's too fast, let us follow it is very laborious ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yes, so we only know how to use it, but I don't know why this technique has spent 10 years. The technology is not to see the source code, you can fully understand. Because we abandon the technology's context. ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━ ☆ Lazycoder in Wed Jul 28 09:11:54 2004: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ ☆ Concurial Technology is not so easy , I think I am not the same genius. Maybe few decades, I can make up for my more than enough, I mentioned in the masterpiece of Hijack: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~: Yes, so many technologies we only know how to use, but I don't know why this technology: people spend 10 A few years of techniques are not to see the source code, you can fully understand.: Because we abandon the technology's context. ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ Hijack in the WED JUL 28 09:33:21 2004 statement: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━ ☆ For decades, you will also write the program? I don't believe it in the masterpiece of Lazycoder (unmarried man):]: Concord technology is not so easy, I think I am not that kind of genius,: Maybe dozens After the year, I can make up for the experience, it is not enough, ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ━━━ ☆ Lazycoder in the Wed Jul 28 09:43 : 54 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ I think, But it is estimated that it will not be, haha [in Hijack (alone) masterpiece:]: Decades, you will write the program? I don't believe ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Mifeng in the WED JUL 28 10:00:16 2004: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ ☆ I feel that China should have some things in China. It may be really that the programmer does not have time and energy to do what you like. Everyone is in some business software, the project is busy. [In the masterpiece of Gzhzjk (Chandler):]: Strong Reh, at least in Java, I feel that there is not much Chinese, and there are too many programmers who have been consumed by the project. Maybe It is too fast that the technological progress is too fast, let us follow it very much ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━ ━━ ☆ Fishinsky in the WED JUL 28 10 : 03: 40 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ━ ☆ Chinese programmer's lives like migrant workers, too many migrant workers The programmer, too many people mention the programmer as migrant workers [in Mifeng (Yes. Na. Black.) Masterpiece:]: I feel that China should have something in China: maybe it is a program There is no time and energy to do what you like. : Everyone is for some commercial software, the project is busy. ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ ☆ Lazycoder at the WED JUL 28 10:06:50 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ 翻 翻 月 月 神 翻 向 向 向Come out [in Fishinsky (fish fish also flying & butterfly effect) mentioned in the masterpiece:]: Chinese programmer's life like migrant workers, Tai multi-migrant programmer, too many people put programmers as migrant workers ☆ ━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━ ☆ Xuchuan in the WED JUL 28 10:18:32 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ How can I, the migrant workers live too much, the programmer does not do anyone? Is it true to hire migrant workers? [In the masterpiece of Lazycoder (unmarried man):]: There is a moon myth in the morning, very towards the surgical team ~: Programmer can liberate from non-creative affairs ☆ ━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ Hijack in the WED JUL 28 10:19:08 2004: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ and the key is that he also regards himself as migrant workers [in the masterpiece of Fishinsky (fish fish also flying & butterfly effect) mentioned: ]: The Chinese programmer's life like migrant workers, too many migrant workers, too many people put programmers as migrant workers ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ Lazycoder in the WED JUL 28 10:20:07 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ See what is alive, do you think that a architect or chief programmer is thinking about how to write a program while still writing a document of those processes, handling some of the rules, can you get it? As for the low technical content, it is of course training a group of professional people, not the programmer [to mention in the masterpiece of Xuchuan (Xuchuan):]: How may, the migrant workers are too far, the programmer does not do Who is going? Is it true to hire migrant workers? ☆ ━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ Xuchuan in the WED JUL 28 10:23:49 2004: ☆ ━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ What is a programmer? [In the masterpiece of lazycoder (unmarried man):]: See what is alive, you think that a architect or chief programmer thinks about how to write the program: Also write the documentation of those programs, handle better Can some rules, can you get it? : As for the low technical content, it is of course to train a group of professional people, not the programmer ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━ ☆ Hijack in the WED JUL 28 10:22:44 2004: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ ☆ The key to a good OpenSource survival is also a good place for the paper. Hehe this is necessary. But I rarely see the name of architects abroad, Senior Software Engineer is scientist? What is the low technical content For example ... [in the masterpiece of Lazycoder (unmarried man) mentioned:]: See what is alive, do you think that a architect or chief programmer is thinking about how to write a program: Also write those procedures Document, can you have some rules? : As for the low technical content, it is of course to train a group of professional people. Not the programmer ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━ ☆ ☆ Lazycoder in the Wed Jul 28 10:35:46 2004: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━ ☆ ☆ 文 文, 口 述 述 述 述 述 述 述 述 述 述 述 述 述 口 述 述 述 口 整 整Better, isn't it? [In the masterpiece of Hijack (alone):]: A good document is a nice OpenSource survival key: it is also a good place for the paper, huh, huh: This is a must. But I rarely saw abroad There is a architect's title, Senior Software Engineer: The top is scientist ?: What is the low technical content? For example ...: >> ................... > ........... ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━ ☆ ☆ Lazycoder at WED JUL 28 10: 37:06 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ ☆ In the software development, you must emphasize the professional division of labor, can't let Good programmers do everything, you should use the [Lazycoder "in the masterpiece of Lazycoder (unmarried man):]: Good documentation, manuscript, professional document writing, standard, This is better, isn't it? ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━ ☆ Devis in the WED JUL 28 12:11:03 2004 The statement: ☆ ━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ☆ 人 人 人 学 学 工作 工作 工作 工作 人 水 水 水 水 水 水 水 水 人 人 水 水 水 水 水 水 水 水 水 水 水 水 水 水In mentioned:]: I am a programmer, very ordinary, the kind of that I don't know if I am sure to get to the street. Maybe, I also like the technology, like challenge, or even "metamorphosis". The following is some of my love, not all.: Let me talk about the procedure of the programmer I understand :: Technical Pursuit -> Problem Domain Analysis -> Question Domain Modeling -> Create your own technology : Suddenly, I think I will take this technology to pursue this. I don't deny it, this is going to experience, because this is the capital accumulation.: But I want to say: Don't blindly accumulate. When you feel that technology accumulate to a certain level, if you can: bear a development team's main force, I think everyone should consider entering a problem domain. Think about it, you: >> ........ ....... <省 以下 省>> ............ ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━ ☆ Apple at WED JUL 28 17:11:12 2004 The statement is as follows: ☆ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━ ☆ Good, Then I wrote the design document with me, I went to CODER. They made me check [in Mifeng (Yes. Not. Black.) Masterpiece mentioned:]: I? Now is a write document, check, test, etc., anything is around.
