Sender: Woodandwater (God bless me), the letter area: VC title: [Reprin] Liu Xingbo teaches people to learn pigs to mislead China IT? Sending Station: Nanjing University Small Lily Station (SAT Feb 16 11:57:08 2002) [the following text reprinted from NJUExpress Forums] [sic] published by the woodandwater author: cio@dcerp.com As long as you work hard, you can reach him even more than him. No training, means that it is not thinking, the thoughts are rigid, and it is necessary to be eliminated. No hope, can't see the future. You are destined to be eliminated. You will be embarrassed by the success of others. Because you will never reach that height. Only if you have done him, pull him down, you can reach your psychological balance. Go to foreign companies, you can see a bright future, you can constance. The wider road is getting wider. After a period of work in that business, you learned a lot. You are another person after you come out. I have wanted to go to a company, not because of his salary, but there is training, even sent to foreign training, from him, can be used as a general manager. In China, your road will get more narrower, and eventually don't go. Because you have not learned, it's hard to find new jobs in the times. . Domestic companies will only call talents. They didn't think about how they treated talents, they would only be disabled to exploit, engage in political struggles, whole people. Domestic companies don't learn other people's advanced management methods, but they will blame, and they don't want to find their own reasons. 1. Why do you want to jump? Because there is no rise in the company. Chinese programmers are hard and smart. They use every time to learn. Take me, after the military training, only fifteen minutes from the computer room. I flew to the machine room, only ten minutes can learn computers. It is also necessary to use this ten minutes. When they find that the company has no training opportunities, there is no opportunity to learn, but how can this be able to stop your advancement? Domestic company management is generally very poor, and employees have no opportunities and development space. The only way is to hop. Someone jumped once, and the salary was doubled. Take me, every time you jump, it is really doubled. Fighting and learning has got a high growth in knowledge, and personal high-speed progress, this is not wrong. And the employer can look at me, and it is indeed my ability has reached this level. But the longer the time, the longer every time you jump. Maybe because the progress is slow. Later, some regrets, jumping and jumping, there is no root, people have to take the roots, put a technology, Shirai 涞 涞 涞 郏 な 迪 戳 戳 戳 恕 Those programs that have been jumping and jumping, in fact, in the primary stage, to the intermediate stage basically stabilize, and break through in a certain order direction. But I suggest that if you can't reach a level of salary, or the target company is not particularly, it is best not to jump. Otherwise, every time you jump, the interpersonal relationship that has accumulated, and the technology has no progress, so jumps to jump, you will only ruin yourself, and it is more likely to get the salary. After a certain level, you can't satisfy some small money, but you have to do a career. Measure the goal, not how much money is current, but how much will thereon. In general, domestic companies have not trained, the only way to get rapidly growing in the primary stage is self-learning. The median stage should be stabilized. Because you have already reached the "Plateau Stage", salary has also arrived at the plateau, and the energy is not abundant. It can't be dotted without the day. It is also difficult to get a breakthrough, you must only go to the country. Or I have worked hard. Now many programmers have come to this stage through their own efforts. 2, why do you want to jump to foreign companies? Foreign companies have credit. Let people rest assured. There are training, high salary, boss to see you, lighter exploitation, unlike domestic enterprises, smashed marrow. You can find a girlfriend. Generally you can find the space of the big hand. But there is time to be crured. But it is generally done very happy and going well. The boss says how much is it for you, and you don't have to worry that he will find a reason to buckle. This way you can do your hands and feet. The following is listed below, explaining why you want to jump to foreign companies: 1, Guangzhou Huichuang Software. Http://www.hcweb.com.cn/ in Guangzhou Sports West Road. Its boss used to engage in foreign trade and sent a fortune. I took my own code (I have a copyrighted software), he sold. His boss said, you can only give me work. You go to work, make money, your software developer and copyright owner can only get 40% or less. After you come to the company three months, the copyright of the code must be owned by the company. I got up. If I can go abroad, I don't want to come back in my life. 2, Guangzhou Xiaong Software Company. Www.jxc.com I will talk before, I don't pay, I have a market and software development, and the company only provides a business license, and make money to half. After a hard work, after defeating many opponents, a 100,000 yuan project finally had a contract. That boss said, the company adjusted. You are coming to the market. 10% of the project got the market department, you have to get some numbers from the market. (Only less than 5% in my hand). From next month, 1,000 yuan per month. You are not counting, and you have no credit. I protest. Protest is invalid. If you spend a wage, you will do it, then you will take me a 1000 yuan pay for me. No, no salary last month. Can only start a salary from next month. Then I will go, you put the item 15% of the item to me, this is your provision. No 15%, you can only take 5%. If you go now, that 5% can't get it. Mixed with such a company, do you have a future? Can I have desperately give him? I got up and got back. I didn't get a penny. The new job found is, one month of 10,000. Work. I want to take the project away. But the customer is afraid that it will not be guaranteed. Because I don't have a company. Finally, I still give the project into the market. 3, Jingyuan Group. Hong Kong and foreign companies. Www.crystalgroup.com I have deep respect for Jingyuan Group, and I wish Mr. Ye Fuhua in the South China Computer Department of Jingyuan Group, a happy New Year. I have the deepest impressionism is the credit of foreign companies. At the time of the interview, the ladie is a cup of tea. I am very grateful to the emphasis on me a normal programmer. (I went to the domestic company to interview without a water. They let you first do a test. After you have finished going back and other notices. Later I have experience, I will ask how to interview before, as long as it is a question, see If you don't have the examiner, you will not go. Retreat later, as long as it is a domestic business, it is not possible.) My salary is the last job near two times. ecstatic. The company has a subsidy (company to buy quilt), eat subsidies, accommodation subsidies, overtime pay (1.5 yuan / hour). Have overtime pay. Desperate work hard. Work in 18 hours to twenty hours a day. In the four months of work, I only took a day. His time is like a place of playing every day. . . No one is forced to us, it is our voluntary. The company sent people from the Hong Kong headquarters to the mainland to train us. Expenditure special book provides us establish a computer library. Please come to a special computer teacher, list the training outline, and conduct procedures for us daily. 4, Hong Kong Welcome Xinfeng Software. Hong Kong. Www.welcomeerp.com is located in Guangzhou Tianhe Software Park. I have been doing four days, and I didn't make it. But the company belongs to the wage. I have given me lunch fees, accommodation fees, transportation, insurance premiums. Very credit. Such a company, the employee will not say its bad things. Only respect, love and support this company. The boss is very good. As long as we reach 20% of the profit margin. 5, the torque shoe industry. Taiwan-funded. The monthly salary 8000 invited a programmer (this programmer is not me, I don't have such a dish). I don't know why, I didn't make anything for two months. Although the company is shouting :-), but still pays 10,000 to him. This chest, which domestic business can do? Conclusion: Foreign companies have completed the original accumulation, so the exploitation is relatively light, and the space for employees is also large. Domestic companies are still conducting original accumulation and crazy crushing. As the capital is said, only give you basic living expenses, and his all of his boss took away. "Every pores are dropped with blood and dirty things. The two domestic companies also dropped the blood tears of countless programmers. Don't say it. The blank slogan is useless. Still cloning Microsoft, the management method of cloning people has been real. Take us on the palm of the palm, saying that the salary salary and salary increase is all, and 95% of my desperate money, you will not give me more points, say it, give me stocks, I have no option. As you can honor, you said how much wages are given to us, I always guard you. You are too greedy, I can't wait to take all, all of them have, don't leave us a little alive. It is useless to call how many slogans. I am fortunate to join the WTO society, I have to die. I am in foreign companies. I escape the devil, I am glorious. "Defenders are dead", you don't blame us to go to foreign companies. Can't live because of you in China. You are the old wealth, we are slaves that are turned over by the liberation army. Second, the programmer's salary is too high? What are we doing when you spend the joyful red lips in the previous month? What are we doing when you are striding the girl's clothes to live well? What are we doing when singing and dancing? What are we doing when you are fighting for a big hand? What are we doing when you give a gift? What are we doing when you drink alcohol? We are writing programs. If you take our wages and those who are too lazy to fight in the school, you will compare the people who are caught by the people who have made bribes. The people who are black and crowned are compared. I can only tell you, you are wrong. What did you pay, what do we pay? If you have only 800 yuan because of your salary, I will see you will be angry. I ask someone else's salary to be seen to 800 yuan. I can only say that you have made red eye. The inferior roots of the Chinese are not being affected. Foreigners saw who had money, ah, I have to exceed him. The Chinese said, fuck, I can't hate him! Everyone is poor, I have no opinion, if anyone picks up, I want to pull him down. Just ask, what do you do when others have worked hard? I want to say, when a person, the effort and effort, the all things are poured in one thing, he is only a ten-fold salary of ordinary people, which is too low. Too few more than a thousand dollars, too little. Take this wage want to buy a person's youth and love, this person is too ugly. If you do business, just official, bully the people's, prevailing, corruption and bribery. They don't have to worry about unemployment, don't worry about technology, don't worry about numerous competitors. They don't have to worry about the house, don't worry about the car. Everyone knows that they will not be only a few thousand dollars a month. Working, writing procedures, can not be compared to them. A person who has smart and wisdom that is used by the programmer is those things, and the income is definitely more than the programmer, it is not better than it. More sad. These two are longitudinal comparisons. This comparison is compared with different types of work in the region. According to labor, pay more, our income is still not proportional. Retraway comparison. The same labor force is compared to the salary of the same work in different regions in different labor markets. Programmer's salary is not too high, but too low. An undergraduate student, two years after going abroad for two years, the US dollar. And we have contributed to our great socialist countries, only 5% of salary. (100,000 foreign countries, 50,000 in the country) a colleague has arrived abroad, a monthly salary of $ 5,000, and he is only 4,000 in the country. Due to ten times. A person, excluding the emotional factor, of course, is of course that sold to the bid. Is this asked? As a large number of international students come back. Not my patriotism, but there are many gaps in China, more opportunities, large development space, so we come in a large number. The time is calling, the value of talent is returning, the value of knowledge is in return. Record: This year, the Spring Festival, Wanjia reunion, when the horse is leaping, I am writing the program. Liu Xingbo, what are you doing? 3, China needs a lot of software blue collar? We have lost to foreign countries, but also in the new round of competition. 1, who wants the software blue collar? A reporter goes to the talent market to ask each recruitment unit does not need software blue collar. Recruitment unit does not understand what software blue collar means. After the reporter shows that the company does not say that we don't. Grass-class talents never lack . On the one hand, the newspaper appeals to software blue collar to make it as soon as possible, "We have a lot of low-cost code workers", on the other hand, companies don't want this in this area. Weird. Who is loud, need software blue collar? He didn't know that major companies were layoffs? In the face of production tools (software development tools), software development tools, software blue-collar, eliminated. Those who have too slowed too slow will be eliminated, and it is even more blue collar. Software blue-collar, yet trained, it has faced a disaster. Software factory is good, but the core of the software factory is not to swallow a lot of software blue-collar tactics, but the integration and utilization of existing resources, reduce existing production costs and transaction costs. One flavor requires software blue collar companies However, those enterprises who have been eliminated by the market because they manage is not good to be eliminated by the market: First, the software slaves that do not want money, the second is to kill those outstanding people who are growing in the cradle, They can't grow up, reducing competitors. And because of the uretling education they conduct, they must be determined to become a software blue collar. Without the big mind, China's software industry is really dangerous. It is grateful that the market will use a cruel market law to cruelly eliminate those people. Only those "software factories" that truly lead the vision will be truly established. Microsoft is a software factory. He focuses on hundreds of thousands of people from tens of thousands of people, producing products, selling in the world. Some "software factories" is just a play concept. Play, play, there is a day of death. You will die very hard. It is grateful that the software blue collar shouted for a long time, and did not see which businesses were recruited, more of the layoffs. It turns out the discomfort of the blue collar. The machine is crowded, and the programmer is also crowded. Due to the increasing use of high productivity development tools, software development costs have fallen sharply, and software development is becoming more and more automated. More and more people are squeezed away by the machine. Many things that have been done by people are now very good by the machine, and many programmers are cut down. (Senior programming should have this experience). Now the so-called "software factory", the biggest hazard is that he has spread in the students, making many student chests without big aspirations, earning two money to satisfy, killing many outstanding talents in shaking. What we need is that genius politicians, integrate a plate of Chinese genius military homes, resist foreign aggression. Attachment: Some people feel that "the software industry can't find blue collar". " . Shenzhen can not find the blue collar. Nice. What kind of blue collar they are looking for? It is the second grade of the secondary school in the previous concept, wearing blue tooling, full of oil, holding the blue collar of the tiger pliers? Do not. They must be proficient in computer technology, they must be proficient in drawings, and they must be proficient in manufacturing technology. They must be proficient in electromechanical technology. In this way, you can read English manuals to understand the drawings, in order to prepare computer programs used by CNC machine tools to control CNC machine tools. Moreover, these state-of-the-art CNC machine tools use the world's most advanced technology, so this "blue collar" If he does not follow the technical trend in a few years, he will find that he will no longer use these machines that represent the most advanced productive forces, will be eliminated. Drop. Is this blue-collar a general so-called white collar to be better? Three white-collarers are not more than such a "blue collar". When you rank, "We can't find such a blue collar", it is really a loss. Have you ever thought that in this case, how many low-tech blue-collar workers are to be used in this way of using high-tech? How much money and time do you need to produce such a blue collar? Such blue collar is really cost-effective. Therefore, in foreign countries, the general workers and general managers are primary, the total treatment is sometimes higher than the general manager. In the domestic people, there are many porridge environments, technical talents do not pay attention. 4. Software factory is actually, we really want, not software blue collar, but software factory. And such a factory is as long as two. When the management level of software production is high, it works in the form of a factory to significantly reduce production costs. What is the software factory use? 1, what? Where is so many orders to maintain the work of the factory? 2, the zero sidetite cost of the software (ie, multiple copies and cost is almost zero). One software only needs one, is it repeatedly developed and wasting resources? The result of this competition is good, and the whole world is in a factory, and the transaction cost is reduced to the smallest. China 's large-scale repeated development, low levels of repeated development. If you are united, make up a factory, strictly organize, and collaborate, both increase productivity, and reduce waste. The factory is set to reduce transaction costs. The software industry also has a trend with a gradual decline in production costs. Only large-scale group collaboration, using factory organizations can effectively improve productivity and reduce transaction costs. The core of the factory is not a software blue-collar, but organizes and collaborate. Concentrated the wisdom of all people to do something. Reduce production costs in large scale. Although China is currently required, there is still a strong organization. It can be said that it has not yet developed to the extent of the factory. So we have organized all the programmers of China, just like a large software company, and made the idea of virtual software factories. But I haven't finished yet. China's IT is like some people say that middle talents are large, and high-precious talents are serious. In my opinion, the grassroots employees have never lacked, because foreign countries block the technology, so we are difficult to make a way on the way forward. However, our middle talents are in the evening, struggling in the management and technical field, and enter the high-precious talents. But as long as there is a breakout, there will be a large number of people who succeed. We are waiting for the day to break through the group. That day, a large number of high-precision talents who came out from the middle field were in the international software industrial, leadership groups. Five, "Amoy Yellow Sand At Home", if there is any employee "rebellious", it is better to say: by him! Very chic. Very air. The truth is also right. It is a bit a little big, it is a bit of self-strength, and it is also wrong.
