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C Builder Future with eli Boling
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This is a log of the chat room during the live audio chat from February 1, 2005 on the future of C Builder with Eli Boling. Eli discusses the work under way for the C personality for the next release of Delphi.
Note:. This log is only the chat room transcript There is much additional information covered in the audio replay that is not available in this chat log For all previous and upcoming live chats, see http://bdntv.borland.com/chat. .html.
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aohlsson: Please use "/ ask" to ask questions.jkaster inserts the following link: http: //qc.borland.comjkaster: See that URL for QualityCentral That's your primary feedback mechanism to Borland R & Djkaster:. that helps the R & D teams prioritize bug Fixes for the product Releasesjkaster: The C Team IS Focused on this being a very high Quality Release for C
Jkaster: NUX: "WILL THERE BE A NEW C Compiler / Linker? WILL IT BE 100% ANSI C Compliant? All Boost Libraries TO Compile? Even Spirit and Crypto ? - We've Done Some Work On Conformance for Boost and for ACE . We're Going to Specifically Target Boost and Some Customer Complaints. We Won't be 100% ANSI Compliant
Jkaster: Mitov: "Will We See Updated More Ansi Compatible C Compiler?" - We'll Continue To Work On Spectmeric Customer Complaints Standing in The Way of Specific Library USAGE.
jkaster: casterle: "Did I hear you mentioning refactoring?" - Yup, we're spending a considerable block of R & D time toward refactoring for this release We're aiming high and will have a better list later Basic refactorings such as rename.. will be first, other refactorings that are in the current Delphi 2005 release, and specific C refactorings C refactorings are more difficult than some other languages.jkaster:. Atmapuri: "Any plans to add support for SSE2, 64 bit, mixed code compiler for .NET? "- In this release, we're not going to be doing any mixed code compilation for .NET, or 64-bit. SSE2 We'll Support with Inline Assembler.
Jkaster: NUX: "What About Kylix and Kylix C ? WHEN WILL THE OFFICIAL CUMMUNITY UPDATE?" - We've Had Some Internal Discussions About this, but no formal plan.
Jkaster: Richardk: "Do You Already HAVE A RELEASE DATE for C Builderx?" - Those Products Will Be Ready When're Ready. if're Intested in Testing, Email Cppbuilder@borland.com
Aohlsson Inserts The Following Link: Mailto: cppbuilder@borland.com
jkaster: DavidS:. "? Will the new C Identity be based on the existing BCB compiler / linker" - It's had a lot of revisions since then It's not a ground up new compiler and linker, but it's had lots of changes since it was Last released.
AOHLSSON: CASTERLE: "WHEN WILL I KNOW IHET?" - AS PREVIOUS One. Please send email to cppbuilder @ borland. COM
jkaster: RaphNeve: "? Will we see some real boosts in C Builder compile time" - You're not going to see a huge boost in compile time, but Code Insight times should be greatly improved.jkaster: casterle: "what about the Compiler generating Faster Code? "- The Focus on this Release Is More Language Conformance and IDE Features Rather Than Code Generation
Jkaster: DRBOB42: "Are We Talking About C Builder in The Delphi 2005 IDE, or the next version of delphi IDE ??" - It's not in the 2005 IDE itself, But the next ide. NOTE RAPE DIFFERENT THAN THAT. WE 'RE Building On That One. Our Plan Is To Have The C Be Available At The Time of The Next Delphi.
Jkaster: Richardk: "WILL THERE BE A FREE PERSONAL EDITION FOR C Builderx?" - TOO Early to Say
Jkaster: Mitov: "Can We Expect BCB TO Accept VC Coff Libraries?" - Not Any More Than We Currently Support. We'll Make Some Bug Fixes To Utilities That Do Conversion, Though.
Jkaster: Djones: "What about UPGRADE PRICING FOR C Builder Users? Well We Take A Big Hit on Price to get the delphi / bcb IDE?" - Can't Say Yet
jkaster: ozelaya: "is there any work on to improve code completion and parameters speed on C Builder" - that will be improvedjkaster inserts the following link http://bdn.borland.com/article/0,1410,32862,00. HTMLWATCH THAT BDNTV EPISODE for A Sample of The Performance
Jkaster: Casterle: "IS 100% ANSI C Compliance Your Ultimate Goal?" - That Would Be a Very Desirable Thing for US
jkaster: gambit47: "will COM support be improved an actual working and usable Type Library editor etc. BCB6 COM support is not as good as BCB5 support, which is itself lacking anyway??." - We're definitely looking at improving the type library supportjkaster: gambit47: "?. will TService be updated BCB's version of TService has not had a single code update since BCB4 Services have many new features in Win2K / XP / 2K3 that TService can not utilize" - I do not know the answer to That One. make Sure It's in Qualitycentral
jkaster: casterle: "Are you going to improve the debugger?" - We're going to spend some time doing bug fixes on this, and medium term wishlist items such as better STL container inspection Definitely things we want to do..
Jkaster: Derbas: "Will ANY WORK BE DONE TO Allow BCB Components To BE Used in Delphi?" - It's Not Currently On Our List of Things We're LIKELY TO PULL OFF.
Jkaster: Alisdairm: "Will the Be Any Support for Iso Library TR1" - Not Currently Planned
jkaster: gambit47: "will BCB6 get any updates before the new C personality is released?" - probably not We've put out 4 updates to BCB6 already Right now, our focus is getting this pretty large array of new features into the.. Next release.
jkaster: RonSawyer: "/ ask: Perhaps this is out of place, but: Will these tools ever support CE or Pocket PC" - the most likely solution to that is going toward managed C and CF. That's a long term outlook.
jkaster: DavidS: "? There are some bugs in the compiler / linker that exist in both BCB5 and 6. Will bug reports to QC regarding BCB5 be considered" - We're going to take anything we can find in QC that applies to the Current Toolsjkaster: Lsiefert: "How About Code Folding?" - That on the list to do
Jkaster: Ronsawyer: "How Will Longhorn Impact The Development Tools? WILL DELPHI / Builder / etc WORK WITHIN?" - YES. We'd BE Pretty Silly IF We Didn't do That.
Jkaster: Alisdairm: "Any Improvement for Automated Project Builds - Batch File Support Was Actually Dropped from Delphi 2005" - YES, We're Taking a Hard Look at That.
jkaster: DamonC: "? Will we get a C - tuned project manager" - we have a wide array of features customers have asked for over time, like pre and post build steps, source pools, build configurations, named option sets, etc. All these Features Are Things We're Looking At To See Which We CAN Most EfficiTly Deliver.
Aohlsson: There's a 30 Second Lag in The Audio, So Answers May Appear Written Here Before You Hear Them.
jkaster: AndrueC: "? will there be an option to disable debugging into standard headers like the STL" - It's not actually currently a separate requirement in CaliberRM We can certainly look at that.jkaster inserts the link http: //www.borland. .com / caliber / we use caliberrm to TRACK PRODUCT FEATURE Requirements
JKASTER: Ozlaya: "Is there together to be a option to just buy the c builder personality" - Stay Tuned to when We Formally Announce The next version of the delphi / c # / c products
aohlsson: The 30 second delay is simply a function of streaming to a server, and you getting the stream off of it It's probably built-in buffering so that hickups are eliminated as much as possible.jkaster:. derbas: "Will anything be done ? to reduce executable size "- Outside of including the dinkumware STL, we do not have anything on the plate right nowjkaster: derbas:". Any improvement in converting projects to new version - this has always been problematic "- yes, we 'LL Work on That
JKASTER: DRBOB42: "WHEN We See The C Builder Personality In The Delphi (BDS) IDE, WILL THAT MEAN A WIN32 OR A .NET C Personality? (or Both? ;-)" - Additional Work Will Happen for .NET After this Win32-Supporting Release
Jkaster: Frasersof: "WILL THE NEXT C Builder Be .NET LIKE DELPHI 2005 - The Ide Enhancements, That We Shipped for Delphi 2005
Jkaster: Antivari: "What Will Be the final replacement for qing qing" - Crystal Reports and Rave
Jkaster: Damonc: "Any Plans to Improve The Math Performance Of Compiled Code?" - Notin this Release
JKASTER: DERBAS: "IS ANY WORK BEING DONE TO FIX Quality Central, or Will We Have Endless Beta ...? - in 1999, WE SAID THAT OF BDN Would Be Constantly in Developments.
Jkaster: Antivari: "Will the Overall Project Management Be Easier, Like Changing The file name?" - YES / CLASSFED IDE? "- YES WE'RE Going to Spend A Fair Amount of Time Improving Options Configuration
Jkaster: Antivari: "Will The TIMAGE BE ENRICH WITH SOME NEW Image FORMATS?" - That's a question for the VCL Team
jkaster: nux: "does borland take Linux serious should we rather try Kylix or rather vcl.net through mono?" - in the world of Linux, we continue to try to figure out how to make a business of producing tools for Linux Right. . now, we're focusing on the Kylix community project, and FreeClx jkaster inserts the following link: http: //freeclx.sourceforge.netjkaster: drbob42: "are you considering to include IntraWeb for C Builder?" - yes, That Certainly Could Work Since The VCL Designer Will Work with C
Jkaster: Derbas: "Any Work Being Done to Bo Borland C Products to Be Used For Drivers, LIKE IN THE OLD DAYS
Jkaster: Antivari: "Will The Docking System Finaly Be Easy TO IMPLEMENT?" - Anothervcl Question
JKASTER: DAMONC: "Will We get GDI Support? (Which Native Supports Other Image Formats" - You'll Get The Native Support Through C , But Not Sure About Additional VCL Wrappers for IT
Jkaster: Gambit47: "UP-TODATE API Headers and libraries?" - Yes!
JKASTER: CASTERLE: "The Help IN D2005 IS LACKING. WILL THIS BE IMPROVED WHEN THE BDS W / BCB IS RELEASED?" - We're Looking AT XML Document Generation for C As Well. this Will Improve
Watch for a chat on the documentation for delphi 2005. That Information Will Apply. Jkaster inserts the link http://bdntv.borland.com/chat.html
jkaster: cviavatte: "are You considering to include a Profile for C personality?" - ifwe do anything for a profiler, it will be via a bundle, such as VTune or something That's a product management decision.
jkaster: JimDodd: "Will the examples provided with Builder be updated?" - yesjkaster: AlisdairM: - the changes that have been made to Delphi, such as namespace "how far has Delphi changed since Delphi6, placing additional requirement for C support?" Support, But That Shouldn't Affect The C Interfaces As Well. The Enumerator Support is All Internal.
Jkaster: ALISDAIRM: "Will Codeguard Be Supported?" - We're Looking AT IT.
JKASTER: DERBAS: "HAS Memory Management Been Improved (in Relation to BCB5) - We Haven't Gotten Any Big Changes There Right Now.
jkaster: casterle: "When BCB is included in BDS, will this make 3rd party component development easier?" - Davidi: Having one environment that's the same in all its features for 4 different languages should definitely make this easier.
Jkaster: Jimdodd: "Four Languages? Delphi, C #, C and Java?" - That'sjust Counting Delphi (Native) and (.NET) AS TWO
Jkaster: Davids: "I Noticed Some Memory Leaks in the VCL in BCB5 / 6. WILL THAT IMPROVED?" - Report Them in Qualitycentral
Jkaster: Roddy: "WILL THE DFM FILE FORMATS BE BROADLY SIMILAR TO BCB5 / 6?" - YES
Jkaster: Henningd: "Will BE FULL Support for the make Tool be part of the next bcb generation?" - YES. There will still becommand-line compilers and so on. We May SuppilT Exporting to make file
Jkaster: Damonc: "WILL WE STILL NEED DELPHI SOURCE CODE TO USE DELPHI COMPONENTS IN BCB?" - YES
Jkaster: KGC: "Any Thoughts About Supporting Distributed Compiling for Large Products (A LA DISTCC)? Or Related Project Management IMPROVEMENTS?" - Not Currently On The Plans
davidi: djones: "This is the kind of interaction we desperately needed from Borland Thank you.." - keep feeding back to us and we'll continue the conversations Thank you !!! jkaster: AlisdairM: "will there be support for. CVS in the IDE (I am PRESUMING StarTeam! "- YES, THROUGH SCC API
Jkaster: DJONES: "Will The STILL BE A BPR2MAK TOOL, EVEN IF THE DOESN '' - I Don't Know, But I'll Take A LOOK
Jkaster: Milsoft: "Will Corba Be Supported in The New Ide" - YES, Absolutely
Jkaster: Oliverb: "Will the Be Better Support for Mixed Language Programming" - We're Not Doying Any Specific Features for Mixed Language Programming Except for Project Management Level Features
Jkaster: Alisdairm: "WILL THERE BORLAND TOGETHER Support for UML?" - We're Looking At this for the model of the product. we don't know what degree of integration we'll get there
jkaster: AlisdairM: "? is there anything we as the community can do to help Borland deliver a high quality product" - put things into QC, give us really good examples that show what the problem is, ask to field test, then really beat On the product
Jkaster: Milsoft: "Will We Have One IDE WHERE WE CAN USE C And C #" - That's Our Goal. Delphi, C , And C # development in one IDE
Jkaster: NUX: "Why Not Make A Babelcode to Convert C Builder To C #" - After Codedom Support for C Is Available, this is feasible
Jkaster: Derbas: "HAS Borland Not Yet Learned That" WHEN ITY "ISN'T A VIABLE ANSWER ANYMORE?" - We're Trying to Tell You as a as We can About the development we're doing. The Challenge of Exact Dates have a challenge weil. we will strive to hit any dates we announce.jkaster: Djones: "WHERE You'VE SAID," WE'LL LOO ITO IT ", WHEN / WHEN WILL WE Be See The Eventual Answers? Hopefully WE Don't have to wait unient! "- We'll Update You WHENEVER WE CAN
Jkaster: Damonc: "WILL THERE BCB-Specific TRACKS AT THIS YEAR's BORCON?" - Davidi: Yes, We'll Cover C . i STILL DON 'RE HAVE A DATE, But We're Getting Very Close To Announcing A Date and Location, in The Q4 TimeFrame.
Jkaster: ALISDAIRM: "WILL LICENSING BE VERY DIFFERENT FROM BCB6?" - IT Will (Probably) Be The Named User Licensing We Have Today
Jkaster: Jimdodd: "WHERE ARE THE BLOGS for THE C Team?" - Devrel Will Get The C Team Members to Start or Extend The Followingjkaster Inserts The Following Lin: http://blogs.borland.com
Jkaster: Antivari: "Can We Expect Some More Tools (Besides Image Editor, DBEXPLORER, ...) - NOPLANS TO EXPAND The Tools Unless It's A Third Paty Bundle
AOHLSSON: CASTERLE: "WILL you Announce The blogs in the nontech news? - YES
jkaster: AlisdairM: "can we split IDE options / history out of the project files, so source control is easier" - huh yeah, I see what he's saying Not currently planned, but I'll talk to the product manager guys about.. That.
jkaster: pgustav: "This may have been asked (joining late), but will be Delphi VCLs be allowed to used by C Develoers Inversely will (one day) C VCLs (for .nET) be able to be used by Delphi Devs." . - please listen to the replay for this answer All VCL updates will be available to C customersdavidi: casterle: "How frequently can we expect status updates and additional chats?" - wewill talk to the C / Delphi / C # team and see what schedule WE CAN CREATE.
jkaster: RaphNeve: "Why does BCB1 compile / so much / faster than BCB5?" - there are 2 answers to that: 1) for starters, in BCB 5 and 6, we introduced more components that are available for the user and standard pre -compiled headers for those. 2) in BCB6, There is an egregious bug with a docunted fix for thinke http://tinyurl.com/5n74e for more information
Davidi: Milsoft: "How Well We Purchase C Builder? Well We Have to Purchase DELPHI?" - Stay Tuned for Product Announcements, Packaging, Pricing, ETC As We get Closer To Ship Time
JKASTER: BIGSTEW: "WILL TYPE LIBRARY IMPORTER FINALLY BE FIXED IN THE BDS PERSONALITY?" - YES, ANSWERED ALREADY
Aohlsson: Alisdairm: "Will My Name Appear Next To All My Questions in The Transcript, i Seem to be hogging the floor!" - YES :)
jkaster: djones: "Where can we submit wish list items for the new product?" - QualityCentral Put feature suggestions in there.jkaster inserts the following link: http: //qc.borland.comjkaster: and solicit votes from community members.
Jkaster: Roddy: "QC: File The for Delphi or BCB ??" - BCB
jkaster: AlisdairM: "if we want improved image editors etc., would Borland be open to community submissions?" - yes, definitely Troy Kitch is the product managerjkaster:. DamonC: "Will editor settings (eg, indent spacing) be project- SPECIFIC AS in BCBX? "- Thiswould Be a Good Ide Request for C Builder
Jkaster: NUX: "Where can I find the docs for:" in bcb6, there is an egregious bug with a docunted fix for this "" - We'll Add The Url To The Transcript
Aohlsson: Damonc: "Thanks Guys - this chat is much appreciated !!!" - Thanks for Tuning in!
JKASTER: CASTERLE: "WILL THE Component Palette Include Wildcard Searches?" - Not Sure
jkaster: DavidS: "I like to mention that I really appreciate your focus on quality for the next release I think BCB5 / 6 is still a great product except some critical bugs in the current linker / compiler.." - thanks very much
Jkaster: Alisdairm: "SO where is bruneau hiding?" - He's Working!
Davidi: KGC: "This May Be Too Forward-Looking, BUT What KIND OF TOOLS Might COME OUT OF THAQUEST ACQUISITION?" - We will try to schedule audio chat with the teraquest team as soon as possible.
Jkaster: Roddy: "WILL DELPHI PROJECTS NOW BE ABLE TO EASILY USE C LIBRARIES SuCH AS FREETYPE?" - Send Me Email To Get this Question Answeed
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jthurman: Popular place to be.frasersof: hi mike # 1jthurman: That was fun.MikeMarge: hiLoriOlson: who picked elvis jkaster:? I did frasersof:! elvis (some one who is older than me) oliverb: Elvis is moderating when he Finishes this Songcasterle: i Just Heard a Mike Check A Moment Ago ... Didn't Sound Like Elvisandruec: I've Never Beats The Jazz WE Used To Get TELEPHONE 'HOLD' YEARS AGO :) frasersof: NTL does Shakatak - not too badmitov:! Hi David casterle: This music's gonna put me to sleepcviavatte: I live in Italy, my date is 01 February, and my time is 20.19 (19.19GMT): I want discuss the C BuilderDavidS: Hihifrasersof: zzzzzzzoliverb: Elvis did not die, he wrote C Builderdrbob42: Elvis has left the building ... DavidS: Did he ozelaya:? i dont mind listening to elvis before some good news on C Builder ... lolMikeMarge : with the there be an audio feed Too? Cviavatte: C Builder Live Audio Chat with eli Boling Tuesday, February 1, 2005, 11:15 AM PST (1915Z) CVIAVATTE: W here is Eli Boling oliverb:?? Is it Eli or Elivs cviavatte: Ok, hi Elimitov: Will we see updated more ANSI compatible C compiler bmcgee:? mitov: use the ASK buttongambit47: hi damonDamonC: Hi Gambit doychin:! hi mitov. Nice to see another bulgarian here firmly ;-) mitov: Well, I mean i since, around for few years ;-) Doychin: I'm Talking About the chats ;-) Doychin: i know you from the BCB NewsGroupsmitov: i WAS Listening to the delphi 2005, but didn't post.h ^ 2: What is the link for the audio feed? Doychin: mms: //bdntv.borland.com/chatfrasersof: I havent't Tried ^t't Tried Any chat for 5 years. I Hope i '
ll see this line when I press enterdoychin: use ask button to ask questions ;-) doychin: or put / ask before the text of the questionAlisdairM: Rats, sent all my questions to the wrong chat room RaphNeve:! loud and clear over in France !! AlisdairM: Complaints in NGs that people can not get in, I will try to forward questionsjkaster: Thanks, Alisdair jthurman2:! The open letter seemed to leave it open to go either way.mitov: I have a COFF to BCB . utility developed Are you guys interested gambit47:? maybejthurman2: "When it's ready" (tm) mitov: I am using the utility and I am willing to share the code and experience with Borland RonSawyer:! I can get in here AlisdairM, but can not log onto the mediaH ^ 2: same hereDamonC: Will there be an audio recording JimDodd:? there has been for other audio feeds.DamonC: OK, thanksRonSawyer: How long does it usually take for an answer I have asked 3 questions and? NOT Seen One Yetraphneve: WOW, THAT / WILL / Be Good! Raphneve: (Refering to use delphi components) onSawyer: There's oneRonSawyer: But my first one was skippedRaphNeve: where cviavatte:?? The old BCB5 work in Longhorn RaphNeve: good question gambit47:! there does seem to be a lit of a lag between the time a question is asked and when it is actually answeredRonSawyer: Yeah, and I guess that is understandableoliverb: WIll there be a migration path for C code from Windows to C BUilder Xteechart:!! 30 second Ah, that's why cviavatte: If C Builder personality is ready in 2007, I Must Work in My BCB5: IT START IN Longhorn? DRBOB42: WHO'S TALKING ABOUT 2007? DRBOB42: Hi Oblong! Davids: I Think Theree Are 3rd Party Components Using / Providing GDI
DavidS: like DevExpress.comcviavatte:? Can the people view a beta version of C personality (like Bravo before the BCB 1) LoriOlson: pvcs is now perforce, johnDavidS: @AlisdairM: I do not know anything about SCC API Do you. think it'll be easy to use CVS in the IDE doychin:? there is SCC modules for CVS so you just need such module which will allow you to integrate CVS into Delphi IDEjthurman2: lolAlisdairM: @DavidS: No idea myself, was hoping it would ship in the box
