2004-12-24 09:22:14 * Starry night * Learn Oracle and ERP implementation is quite good.
2004-12-24 09:22:40 The implementation of the stupid child ERP is not so good
2004-12-24 09:22:45 * Star Spanish * Many companies recruit senior engineers need to understand this.
2004-12-24 09:23:12 Andyer So just need to learn, TNND, our work is good, you can have no money.
2004-12-24 09:23:29 * Star night heart * Since others can do, I think I will not be very bad. [: P]
2004-12-24 09:24:01 * Star night heart * I want to learn to learn. Don't have money in this line.
2004-12-24 09:24:06 Stupid children do implementation, do understanding the customer's workflow, more professional than customers, have strong communication skills,
2004-12-24 09:24:12 Stupid children will say pseudo
2004-12-24 09:24:29 Andyer Do you won't say it?
2004-12-24 09:24:43 Andyer communication ability you did not? See you very strong
2004-12-24 09:24:49 * Star night speech * huh, reason, then look at your trick.
2004-12-24 09:24:49 Stupid Babysi I can't
2004-12-24 09:25:02 how big Andyer is only, men don't say no
2004-12-24 09:26:22 If the stupid child is going to do, the most important thing is to deal with the high level of the customer, give them a management suggestion.
2004-12-24 09:26:32 The stupid child is very important
2004-12-24 09:26:32 * Starry night speech * No matter what communication skills are important.
2004-12-24 09:26:58 Andyer understanding the customer's business is much more important than understanding the programming language, the technology is a thing, and people who do technology can only be used by others, so communication skills, business knowledge The faces of those who are accompanied by your career
Indispensable Dongdong
2004-12-24 09:27:03 * Starry night speech * That is to say, you can learn to manage.
2004-12-24 09:27:16 Andyer brothers, don't add technology
2004-12-24 09:27:48 Stupid Big Children first learned to manage, and you must be very clear about your own business's work.
2004-12-24 09:28:03 Andyer technology is only valuable only in the application. N If no one uses it to cultivate the field, what is it used?
2004-12-24 09:28:59 Andyer management knowledge comes from experience and constant learning summary, from understanding of the surrounding environment, not necessarily to be a manager
2004-12-24 09:29:04 * Star night speech * Forget it, I still do my network management, add permissions, manage the server. There is no pressure.
2004-12-24 09:29:34 Stupid children huh, if the salary is high, it doesn't matter.
2004-12-24 09:29:39 Cao Jingzhi wants to strengthen the field, no cattle, how do you cultivation?
2004-12-24 09:29:58 * Starry night speech * Do not be very high. It is good to have half of you.
2004-12-24 09:30:07 Andyer technology is constantly updated, just like driving
2004-12-24 09:31:17 Stupid big children to tell the truth, do a good ERP implementation than 10 times the pressure of technology, especially in some places for ERP expectations
2004-12-24 09:32:00 Stupid children's business is not standardized, and the general software business is very different, you have to set these things.
2004-12-24 09:32:18 Stupid Big Children is doing more than a programmer, it is much better.
2004-12-24 09:32:24 Andyer is of course, but doing ERP implementation, do not do this in the future, do not do a management personnel, 2004-12-24 09:32:44 Stupid, I It's so thinking, huh, huh, maybe it is inconsistent with my character.
2004-12-24 09:32:55 Cao Jiazhi said that it is a translator.
2004-12-24 09:33:29 Andyer to do management, you have to guide the direction of the normally regulated norms, which is not only the difficulties of ERP, but is difficult to manage system reform.
2004-12-24 09:33:37 Stupid big children translators ??? You are too small to see this profession.
2004-12-24 09:34:15 Cao Fu Zhi translated user demand into technical requirements, is the channel between programmers and customers.
2004-12-24 09:34:57 The implementation of the stupid child ERP is not that simple
2004-12-24 09:333 Stupid Children a first-class implement person a second-run programmer's reputation is better than the second stream of the implement personnel a stream of the programmer.
2004-12-24 09:35:47 Of course, the specific operation may be difficult, but which industry is not difficult?
2004-12-24 09:35:53 Andyer is of course not simple
2004-12-24 09:36:08 Stupid, the part you said is the second simple part.
2004-12-24 09:36:18 Stupid Babys, I said an example,
2004-12-24 09:36:51 Stupid Babys, I have a customer's expectation to ERP, I hope that ERP can solve the problem in his factory,
2004-12-24 09:37:20 Stupid Children I have implemented people, I have to first look at the process in his factory.
2004-12-24 09:37:23 * Star night speech * I always worried about my future, now I think you have a relatively promising, so I don't have to worry, I am not blending with you.
2004-12-24 09:37:44 Stupid Babysi's procedures in the factory, you have to point out, where did he have problems?
2004-12-24 09:38:10 How do I do if I can solve his problems in his production process?
2004-12-24 09:38:35 The stupid child is a big problem. You said that he did decades to have shoes, and asked what you should do.
2004-12-24 09:38:40 * Starry night speech * I have no contact in ERP.
2004-12-24 09:38:43 What should you say?
2004-12-24 09:39:17 The stupid child has encountered too many problems in the process of moving the experience in other plants.
2004-12-24 09:39:43 Andyer sales and pre-sales purpose is to win the order, so continuously improve the expectation value of customers, the first step to do after sales is to reduce their expectations, let them understand the risk in the implementation process and difficulties
2004-12-24 09:40:08 Andyer Otherwise, your implementation is difficult to carry, if they still maintain the original expectation
2004-12-24 09:40:26 Stupid children's implementation personnel have difficulty handling, and change the procedure, and it is not necessarily recognized that the implementation personnel have good deal, the program may not change, their business Drake a little adjustment, maybe everything is done
2004-12-24 09:40:41 Stupid, I am now too realistic about the implementation of this work now.
2004-12-24 09:40:42 * Star Sony Sound: You said that it is too late to make Cao Jiazhi can't understand.
2004-12-24 09:41:01 Stupid children are not
2004-12-24 09:41:33 The implementation of the stupid child ERP, you have to do the real difficult factory, you are too real, the pressure is too big.
2004-12-24 09:41:41 * Star night speech * Cao how to talk.
2004-12-24 09:41:43 Cao Fu Zhi This is the responsibility of the translator! You said that an American said it was a few minutes, and I also came to ask you how to translate, you can say that you are more than Americans ?
2004-12-24 09:42:16 Andyer is true, software is not universal, you have to understand how to better solve problems, which issues are difficult, will bring other more serious problems , Customers should be able to understand 2004-12-24 09:42:30 Andyer pressure is of course large
2004-12-24 09:42:34 Stupid children huh, not translated, telling their business processes to join improvement,
2004-12-24 09:42:47 Stupid Children first do not involve the procedure.
2004-12-24 09:43:00 Cao Fu Zhi, I just used to explain
2004-12-24 09:43:32 Cao Jiazhi people don't understand is not the shoe industry itself, but I don't understand how your ERP is implemented.
2004-12-24 09:43:38 The stupid child is so observed, the Americans told you to pointed out his grammatical error
2004-12-24 09:44:02 The stupid child has a American American, called you a translation, you point out his grammatical error
2004-12-24 09:44:24 Cao Fu Zhi improvement process is a syntax error?
2004-12-24 09:44:28 Stupid children
2004-12-24 09:44:33 Is Cao Jiao Zhi's previous procedure?
2004-12-24 09:44:54 Andyer customers don't understand that there is a problem with his management, he doesn't know how to solve it, I hope you can give guidance and programs.
2004-12-24 09:44:57 Cao Jiao Zhi's improvement process metaphor becoming the way the expression is not closer?
2004-12-24 09:45:09 Stupid Baby Americans don't say an article is all wrong.
2004-12-24 09:45:39 Stupid Children An article, those unreasonable statements, you refer to him, improve it
2004-12-24 09:45:47 Cao Jiazhi Americans should mean what I said, you translate into Chinese, not suitable, don't right, I changed another expression
2004-12-24 09:46:13 Andyer implemented difficulties because your boss just received the money implemented, or only provided this part of the cost, but the customer wants to manage consultation in addition to software Things, and this part is cost
2004-12-24 09:46:14 Cao Fu Zhi or you recommend a favorable expression
2004-12-24 09:46:27 stupid children say this
2004-12-24 09:47:06 Cao Fu Zhi is not a question, but there is a problem with the business process, but the process is not a problem with your ERP.
2004-12-24 09:47:38 Cao Fu Zhi Your mission is to achieve a harmonious compromise between ERP implementation and people's business processes
2004-12-24 09:48:17 Stupid children can say this, doing a lot of problems is that there is still nothing to have the scope of ERP management, but many on-site issues
2004-12-24 09:48:26 Stupid Babys may also have a procedure,
2004-12-24 09:48:31 Andyer This compromise is better, more simple to achieve the goal.
2004-12-24 09:48:39 Stupid big children pure shoe factory problem
2004-12-24 09:48:54 Cao Fu Zhi This is like a lot of English vocabulary, there is no corresponding Chinese translation.
2004-12-24 09:49:12 Stupid boy, huh, no translation
2004-12-24 09:49:35 Cao Fu Zhi So I hope that the old way to translate a way to translate
2004-12-24 09:50:00 Cao Fu Zhi, you do implementation is a translation.
2004-12-24 09:50:32 Stupid children huh, not, there is a problem to put it in the ERP, and the computer is only a small part of the sales of his shoes,
2004-12-24 09:51:32 Cao Fu Zhi is, you only need to manage the part of the ERP?
2004-12-24 09:51:40 Andyer is right, it is impossible to put it in the software, you have to make our customers clear this, the customer is like a child, I hope that everything can be eaten, I think it is perfect. You have to let him understand and can only eat some of them.
2004-12-24 09:51:42 Andyer 榀 榀
2004-12-24 09:51:46 Andyer huh,
2004-12-24 09:53:05 Stupid children have many live questions, you have to solve, this is the biggest problem, like your simple demand programmer can all get it, or not Staff
2004-12-24 09:53:14 Issues on the scene
2004-12-24 09:53:43 Stupid Babysi I highly emphasize this
2004-12-24 09:53:51 Stupid, I highly emphasized this
2004-12-24 09:54:20 Cao Fu Zhi live problem, is it also the extent of ERP?
2004-12-24 09:54:44 Cao Jiazhi always does not know which employee is unqualified, you still have to help review it?
2004-12-24 09:54:50 Andyer's on-site question is how you help customers think about solving problems, and give a good program, not how to implement software. You help him do this
2004-12-24 09:55:12 Stupid Somers Yeah, you have to tell him what is the problem, what is the benefit?
2004-12-24 09:56:03 Cao Fu Zhi, what is this helpful, what is the foundation? It is your ERP, it is a program
2004-12-24 09:56:28 Andyer is not an ERP range, which is normal, and administrative, politics. For example, the factory is responsible for implementing ERP usually the Ministry of Information. This thing is doing bad, which has an impact on them in the factory. You have to
His angle is considered, how to do this, how to avoid some risks, don't let the project fail
2004-12-24 09:56:57 Andyer Don't always ask, Cao's complex, some things are not the matter, people's problems
2004-12-24 09:57:08 Stupid children do not have a procedure, but to help them do this, your ERP is not implemented
2004-12-24 09:57:22 Stupid big children don't say how to do procedures is finished.
2004-12-24 09:57:23 Andyer This point of Lao Zhu is right
2004-12-24 09:57:34 Stupid Babysi Procedure is just part,
2004-12-24 09:57:59 Stupid Children's Business Restructuring (BPR) is a difficult part in ERP implementation
2004-12-24 09:58:04 Cao Jiazhi all things are based on programs
2004-12-24 09:58:34 Stupid children huh, you still stare at the procedure, the procedure is of course important, otherwise what we eat?
2004-12-24 09:58:42 Cao Jiazhi, why do you want to cancel some of the idea?
2004-12-24 09:58:50 Andyer This is wrong, all things are not based on software programs, based on business
2004-12-24 09:58:55 Cao Fu Zhi is your program is still can't, or you can't solve it.
2004-12-24 09:59:11 Why do you recommend customers to improve processes?
2004-12-24 09:59:22 Cao Fu Zhi is because this can better combine with the program.
2004-12-24 09:59:34 Andyer Some questions even if the program is solved, but also not to meet the expected effects of the customer, this must be understood
2004-12-24 09:59:49 Andyer is sometimes not like this
2004-12-24 09:59:54 Cao Fu Zhi why you want to make a good relationship with the key department, because you have to make the program to use them
2004-12-24 10:00:00 Stupid children, each customer, please people, the first thing is to ask us to change their processes
2004-12-24 10:00:29 Cao Jiazhi does not reach the customer's request, can you say the problem solved?
2004-12-24 10:01:08 Cao Fu Zhi, you go to help people change process
2004-12-24 10:01:32 Is Cao Jiao Zhi to change your ERP direction? Is it anti-direction change? 2004-12-24 10:01:43 why Andyer thinks of software, not hipster, because They are now in difficult, feel that the process is not able to make better applicable companies.
2004-12-24 10:01:58 Andyer is sometimes changed to the opposite direction
2004-12-24 10:02:07 Andyer right? Old
2004-12-24 10:02:12 The stupid child is not said this, if the customer mentions what you ask you to promise, not only ERP is not finished, the boss will not be satisfied, but will be very disappointed with you.
2004-12-24 10:02:35 Cao Jiaozhi ... anti-direction change, then I obey, no words
2004-12-24 10:03:05 The stupid child is also unclear, huh, huh, you do a few ERP, you will know, you also stay in the telepresect stage
2004-12-24 10:03:13 How can I achieve the customer's request? It is not a software to implement the problem of the customer. It is a lightweight, and it is limited.
2004-12-24 10:03:25 Stupid, you are from a programmer's point of view, no problem
2004-12-24 10:03:45 Cao Fu Zhi, my point of view is clear.
2004-12-24 10:03:56 Cao Fu Zhi Implementation is a process of translation
2004-12-24 10:03:47 Stupid boy but this is not a company that is doing ERP should do
2004-12-24 10:05:02 Andyer clothes you, fight for a fart, Cao Dynasty is not your customers, saying that it is useless
2004-12-24 10:05:04 Andyer ha
2004-12-24 10:05:22 Andyer old Zhu, tired?
2004-12-24 10:05:47 Stupid big children, huh, huh, the letter has always been a perfect, I know, I know.
2004-12-24 10:06:04 Stupid big children can do a good technical manager?
2004-12-24 10:06:31 Cao Jiazhi, I, ... I am not pursuing perfection.
2004-12-24 10:07:20 Andyer Your profit is wrong: "Everything is based on program"
2004-12-24 10:07:50 Cao Fu Zhi, I am looking at the importance of you emphasized the implementation.
2004-12-24 10:08:27 Cao Fu Zhi can't be hard because of the implementation personnel, it is important than sitting in the air-conditioned room.
2004-12-24 10:09:15 Andyer is not emphasizing the importance of implementation. For software companies, product development is very important. If implementation is just the implementation of the software, it is not important, you can say this.
2004-12-24 10:09:48 Andyer ERP Implementation is not only the implementation of the software. To do a good ERP implementation consultant, you have to do business in business consultants.
2004-12-24 10:09:49 Cao Fu Zhi is now in ERP, not selling pure software
2004-12-24 10:10:24 Andyer is no wonder that you are so fierce, it turns out, and you will start from your own position.
2004-12-24 10:10:28 Cao Fu Zhi business runs well, no program support, what do you run? White ran
2004-12-24 10:10:37 Stupid Baby is right, ERP includes business reorganization.
2004-12-24 10:10:45 Stupid children sell pure software, no matter
2004-12-24 10:11:05 Cao Jiazhi, we discussed it is ERP, not selling theft software.
2004-12-24 10:11:08 Andyer buy pure software is also implemented, install, debug, maintenance
2004-12-24 10:11:16 Stupid children I have something to do, I have to solve the problem first.
2004-12-24 10:12:25 Cao Jiazhiha, running, I also flash
2004-12-24 10:12:53 Stupid children huh, I am coming
2004-12-24 10:13:24 Stupid Children have a customer tell me that they want to pack the position
2004-12-24 10:13:55 Stupid Children an ordinary implementing person (it is me) I said that I am not very clear, how do you?
2004-12-24 10:14:09 Stupid children say that we don't want now,
2004-12-24 10:14:15 Stupid, I will change it now. Don't
2004-12-24 10:14:29 After a while, he said that this is a bit bad.
2004-12-24 10:14:39 Stupid Babys, I will say it well, then package it.
2004-12-24 10:14:51 Stupid Babysi I added a packaged
2004-12-24 10:16:58 Cao Fu Zhi If the programmer told you, we didn't package the function, it is not necessary to realize it.
2004-12-24 10:17:25 Cao Fu Zhi You will say to the customer: In fact, this packaging function has no effect on you.
2004-12-24 10:17:32 Cao Jiazhi used it is also white flower money
2004-12-24 10:17:44 Stupid, you have to
2004-12-24 10:17:58 Stupid children, how do you do this?
2004-12-24 10:18:13 What can't I do?
2004-12-24 10:18:26 Stupid children don't give us it.
2004-12-24 10:18:28 Stupid big children we want
2004-12-24 10:18:46 Cao Jiazhi customers tell you, or tell the programmer?
2004-12-24 10:19:02 Stupid children's people with implementation, or you will solve this problem with this warehouse.
2004-12-24 10:19:24 Stupid, I am now very mixed, this problem, don't solve it, don't want to accept
2004-12-24 10:19:59 What about the stupid?
2004-12-24 10:20:32 Stupid, I change them, they start to change the process, there is a problem in the process of change, I don't know how to solve the problem of controlling the package, I should have no experience, Can't solve, so I didn't play it again for a few days.
2004-12-24 10:21:05 How to do Cao Fu Zhi, if you have an ERP really can't, you still don't want to try to cancel the customer thinking
2004-12-24 10:22:10 Stupid, other plants are ok, they go to other plants, oh is like this.
2004-12-24 10:23:19 The stupid child is re-engaged in one person process, the procedure is redireous, starting with it, there is still a problem in the process, what to do, is there a waste?
2004-12-24 10:23:43 The stupid child later called an experienced implement person, told him a place in a place, line
2004-12-24 10:23:54 The stupid child does not have to change, it is very good to complete
2004-12-24 10:24:28 Stupid children if there is an experienced entrepreneur, you can do a lot less, this is my opinion
2004-12-24 10:24:58 Cao Jiazhi is not changed to the customer process
2004-12-24 10:25:43 Stupid children is
2004-12-24 10:26:32 Cao Jiazhi wants to explain what?
2004-12-24 10:27:44 Stupid Biki's discipline can do a lot less, not just as simple as a translation, at least half of the implementation cycle can be shortened.
2004-12-24 10:28:51 Is Cao Jiazhi translated be simple?
2004-12-24 10:29:47 Cao Fu Zhi If the foreigners use a very part of the word, there is no response in Chinese,
2004-12-24 10:29:54 What should I do with Cao Fu Zhi?
2004-12-24 10:30:34 Cao Jiazhi started new words, announced standards, approvals, and got public recognition
2004-12-24 10:31:42 Cao Fu Zhi but translated to tell foreigners, this word is not easy to translate, can you change a kind of expression, then change, then the word is not used, the words bring a series The problem is not available
2004-12-24 10:31:59 Cao Jiazhi can also explain the translation is very important.
2004-12-24 10:37:52 Stupid boy huh, oh, it is an translation
2004-12-24 10:38:48 Stupid Children can call foreigners to change words, reread translation
2004-12-24 10:39:28 Cao Fu Zhi is ah, most is also a NB translation
2004-12-24 10:39:37 * Star night speech * I have to participate in an English training recently, the company pays money
2004-12-24 10:39:42 Cao Fu Zhi's red nb, but also a translation
2004-12-24 10:41:31 Stupid Babysi will go to train, do a very NB translation.
