Main topic: Discussion: About "overtime" in software development!
Servers: zhaoqiubo (Little Bear Jiiimi)
Is "overtime" inevitably in the process of a project?
Is it necessary?
Why do some projects do not have a "overtime", is this normal?
What is the cause of this?
A successful project must "overtime"?
Can I succeed?
Reply to: stonespace (stonespace) () overtime reflects that the boss does not trust the employee, because the boss is always worried that the employee is lazy, so the project plan always has too short working period, the boss also knows that there is such a short time. But this can at least guarantee that employees are not lazy, so they have to overtake.
On the other hand, some projects are the most priority, such as competitors, to grab things before competitors, or make things that can be demonstrated, of course, the competitors know the time is important, so the competitors are also Will work overtime, then you have to work overtime. Under the vicious circle, this project is more than the limit of the spell, the limits of fatigue, who can bear more fatigue, who can win in the competition. Reply to: Pacman2000 (Pacman) () The legendary () is mainly the boss feel overtime can be completed early, but in fact, it is often true. Reply to: ZhaoQiubo () I think Stonespace (Stonespace) is very good, but there are other reasons to work overtime, such as: 1 project manager, or business personnel and user communication, causing users Do not understand the workload of the entire project; the requirements are very short; 2 users must be completed for a certain period of time in order to cope with certain leadership; 3 surveyors, project decision makers, not even do not understand the project risk assessment Project, then promise the time required by the user; etc. Everyone's thinking is different. The situation encountered is different. So everyone has different insights, I hope everyone is widely involved, if everyone feels - --- "Overtime" ---- is a problem in the software development process.
I personally think that "overtime" is the entire project team for remedies ----- enterprise management personnel, project decision makers, customers, of course, may also be any member of the project group, mistakes ... Work; replies: FuturedReams (fish) () overtime is an inevitable link in the project. It is important to keep the development of enthusiasm and work and rest ~ Reply to: zag (智) () in a project, "Overtime" is inevitable? Most of them are inevitable. Is it necessary? But it is not necessary. Why do some projects do not have a "overtime", is this normal? Not normal, this will cause a significant decrease in production efficiency. What is the cause of this? Task decomposition and unreasonable arrangement, risk assessment, etc., is the cause of overtime. A successful project must "overtime"? Not necessarily. Can I succeed? Theoretical is theoretical, and there have been corresponding practice prove, but it is too difficult for most projects. Reply to: Meconsea () Individuals believe that if there is no special case for project management and plan, overtime is endless manifestation. If the project management and the plan do not do, overtime is normal. If there is a special case, overtime is also reasonable. Reply to: Jackie615 (Amazon) ★ (East China Legend) () Operation Estimation and Customer Negotiation Determination Process Determination Program
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It is estimated that the productive forces should be derived from the basic work of the group, and it is given to a certain room. Reply to: Aboush (no people) () overtime is the boss to exploit our evidence, only boycotting overtime, overtime must be reasonable and paid, In order to let the boss to see the cost of overtime, you can realize that you don't need it, it should not work overtime. Reply to: my9cbsid (work is to make money, make money is for buying a house, buy a house is for life) () overtime has several layers: (1) The level of project managers reflected. A qualified project manager should have the ability to assess the completion time of the project. Of course, it is planned to have changed, but that is not a reason for overtime, from the perspective of project management, project managers should take into account these factors when developing a project plan. (2) Reflect the company's internal management policies. Sometimes, all of the company's projects have to be done overtime, then your project is not working hard, is it a member of the project group? Therefore, in some, the project manager will deliberately arrange overtime, saying that it is a formalism, give the superior leaders. This obviously reflects the irregularity of the company's management system. (3) It is indeed inevitable. For example, when the upstairs and competitors compete, there are changes in user needs. Users are God, some users don't have to be completed, one sentence, he said, what is he said? This change naturally affects the period, causing overtime. Reply to: Chuanyan (Cappuccino) () try to get off work in time, although the things are not finished, then leave it tomorrow, no matter how tight above ... all day shouted, you really do it. Reply to: Haoge () Everyone is attributed to the company's internal management issues, in fact, most overtime is the reason for the customer, I collected the company's project information, 90% of the project duration is customer designation It is to say that you can use a variety of software engineering methods to calculate the period, but you can only leave your own emotions, the customer will be unreasonable for your work, you can only do it, otherwise this project is not yours, It is said that the company's exploitation seems to be exaggerated. After all, the company's R & D staff is still different from Wenzhou Shoes Factory. Reply to: Stonespace (stonespace) () In fact, customers can not work freely, if the customer has not approved, no company is recognized, no one. The problem is that the unseasonable period of the customer is recognized, and it is also a company problem. Of course, it is also the result of vicious competition. In fact, the active promoters of vicious competition are not customers, but to develop software companies itself. In order to obtain project, conjunction with the unreasonable requirements of customers, many times, I have actively put forward unreasonable requirements for customers, this Can you blame. In the final analysis, the customer specifies the non-physical period, and it is also the problem of internal management of the company. Reply to: Ericzhangali (selling girl's small mats - five money without selling) () The above Stonespace is like, the crudely-produced code will always be used by people to be approved, so everyone will write code is not very standardized. . Reply to: 101Monster (my) () huh, UP! If it is not too urgent or a fixed-time period, overtime should be free, because personal work habits are different, as long as it does not hinder the overall progress. Reply to: Crybigbaby () Don't have to work hard, but it is impossible to work hard, but in an emergency, there is no excuse, you need to work overtime.
Reply to: NightCloud () () From the perspective of employee individual, if he is high in work and project recognition, no matter whether there is overall fee, the situation is often working overtime; if the recognition is very low, it has overtime It is not happy to charge, even if overtime will work. Reply to: smileface11 (人) () If you do a good job, do it, don't need overtime, if you really want to overtime, just find an excuse, the project fails, anyway, I am Overtime, not because of my cause, it failed. Reply to: WFDMD () Overtime is a bug in the program, it is difficult to avoid. It is impossible to project no error in the previous demand and design, which is like any bug in software development. Therefore, overtime and bugs in the program are normal. However, the high rate of frequencies appears is different. If there is high, it shows that there are many problems in this project, which has many bugs in the program. So avoid it, but you can reduce the bug in this overtime and procedures as much as possible. Reply to: Maskzha (Maskzha) () is due to the replies of the company's vicious competition: w_zigang () () Is a project group overtime, or how much overtime. Reflects the management level of managers. Reply to: nicholas_zhao () () Overtime is mainly due to the low level of users and the development of both parties: Pacman2000 (Pacman) () If the overtime needs to pay the processing fee, the leadership will definitely try to work hard. Reply to: Icewolf_li (Ice) () Market-oriented determines the inevitability of overtime. Many project time points are not to say, but according to the time limit of the project objectives, it is like the victory of the battlefield, the warrior of Shanggan Mountain must stand, Dong Cun, must be divided into bunker, this time The point is not transferred in emotions. Therefore, overtime is inevitable, and if the developer's attitude towards overtime is, the project manager needs to carefully consider things. For developers, let me work overtime, I am afraid that my labor is not respected, and things don't have value. Do not have to build a class, actually overtime pay does not solve any problems. Reply to: ww_stone (grape) () Overtime is normal, every day is the problem of leadership management. It feels uncomfortable. Reply to: chuanyan (cappuccino) () is good to open upstairs ... Since 公司 公司 加 加 加 加 人 人 人 人 人 人 话 话 话 话 话 人 话 话 话 话 话 人 人 人 人 人 人 人 人 人 人 人 人 人 人 人 人 人 问 人 问 人 问 问 问 问 问 问 人 问 问 问 问 问 问 问 问 人 问 问 问 问 问 问 问 人 人 人 人 人 人 问 人 人 问 人 问 人 人 问 问 问 问 人 问 问 问 问 问 问 问 问 问 问 问 问 问 问 问 问SmallCrocodile () The actual overtime is very natural! People Microsoft also replied: zhaoqiubo (Bear Jeli Mei) () In fact, I think that high efficiency work is more effective than overtime ... Reply to: Arfayr () Overtime Operation shows that the company has problems.
Overtime work is not necessarily improved, long-term fatigue state will reduce work efficiency, but will have to pay attention to replies: NeverBlue (with Wolf) () said true, I don't agree with overtime. Like our company, managers always want to use the least amount of money, let you do the most things. And overtime every day, no remuneration, sometimes don't have to affirm it. Occasionally, he will think that you are working overtime. The wages are low, and they will be affected by other departments. It feels overtaken, which is the manager to exploit our surplus value for the order of the upper level. Reply to: Stonesky (NO Orbit) Causes Cause: 1 The market is too short to the customer's commitment to the customer, may be estimated due to an estimate, and most of the situation is small; Customers are indeed very anxious, and the market is very hoped to do this, and the construction period may be shortened. 2 The estimation of the working period is usually taken out to take a head, and it does not estimate the task segmentation. It has been 99% of the construction period. 3 If you are a product, the middle usually does not expect anything. If more new technologies are involved, the time deviation usually estimated is more chaotic; 5 boss hopes everyone to do more things, overtime Do not open overtime pay Reply: IICUP (Double Cup) () An unsuccessful project overtime is necessary. Reply to: IICUP (Double Cup Diving) () Our company's logistics department will urge you to go to get off work in order to save the company. Overtime must be reported in advance, it is necessary to have a few words! ! Reply to: Kathryn530 (smiling waves) () overtime is really unhappy, especially if there is a girl with a girl, often overtaking girls must not stand it. Of course, boys are not good to boys! Reply to: NEWDONGKUI (Lonely Old Crow) () Overtime Subject, or the company's culture and management issues, I have also stayed in size. Customer requirements, or demand, planned changes, by the company's project management and control capabilities, to decide to step class; many times, it is customer project management and control.
Competitors, I think it is just a less important factor.
Most of the overtime is a bad thing. It is short-term utilitarian behavior, forming habits, will endanger normal working hours and efficiency, like drug addiction, leading to the company's overall efficiency. It is necessary to prevent it, it will be changed.
Personal behavior of employees, the company does not deliberately encourage, but deliberately provide conditions such as laptop and broadband, but at home, not the company. If you just learn, arrange training.
